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Re: Terence Tao on O1

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I entirely agree about their utility. HN, and the internet in general, have become just an ocean of reactionary sandbagging and blather about how "useless" LLMs are. Meanwhile, in the real world, I've found that I haven't written a line of code in weeks. Just paragraphs of text that specify what I want and then guidance through and around pitfalls in a simple iterative loop of useful working code. It's entirely a lea…

> Much Much more productive world by just knuckling down and learning how to do the work. The fact everyone that say they've become more productive with LLMs won't say how exactly. I can talk about how VIM have make it more enjoyable to edit code (keybinding and motions), how Emacs is a good environment around text tooling (lisp machine), how I use technical books to further my learning (so many great books out here)…

> But no one really show how they're actually solving problems with LLMs and how the alternatives were worse for them. It's all claims that it's great with no further elaboration on the workflows.

To give an example, one person (a researcher at DeepMind) recently wrote about specific instances of his uses of LLMs, with anecdotes about alternatives to each example. [1] People on HN had different responses with similar claims with elaborations on how it has changed some of their workflows. [2]

While it would be interesting to see randomized controlled trials on LLM usage, hearing people's anecdotes brings to mind the (often misquoted) phrase: "The plural of anecdote is data". [3] [4]

[1] https://nicholas.carlini.com/writing/2024/how-i-use-ai.html

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41150317

[3] http://blog.danwin.com/don-t-forget-the-plural-of-anecdote-i...

[4] originally misquoted as "Anecdote is the plural of data."

Re: Terence Tao on O1

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How will you know if its answers are correct or not?

Because I'm verifying everything by hand, as is the whole point of studying pure mathematics.

Good luck! That can be pretty hard to do when you're at the learning stage, and I would think doubly so given the LLM style where everything 'looks' very convincing.

Re: Terence Tao on O1

#93

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I entirely agree about their utility. HN, and the internet in general, have become just an ocean of reactionary sandbagging and blather about how "useless" LLMs are. Meanwhile, in the real world, I've found that I haven't written a line of code in weeks. Just paragraphs of text that specify what I want and then guidance through and around pitfalls in a simple iterative loop of useful working code. It's entirely a lea…

> Much Much more productive world by just knuckling down and learning how to do the work. The fact everyone that say they've become more productive with LLMs won't say how exactly. I can talk about how VIM have make it more enjoyable to edit code (keybinding and motions), how Emacs is a good environment around text tooling (lisp machine), how I use technical books to further my learning (so many great books out here)…

> But no one really show how they're actually solving problems with LLMs and how the alternatives were worse for them.

I'm an iOS dev, my knowledge of JS and CSS is circa 2004. I've used ChatGPT to convert some of my circa 2009 Java games into browser games.

> Chatting with a LLM look to me like your intent is either vague or you don't know the units to use

Or that you're moving up the management track.

Managers don't write code either. Some prefer it that way.

Re: Terence Tao on O1

#94

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I entirely agree about their utility. HN, and the internet in general, have become just an ocean of reactionary sandbagging and blather about how "useless" LLMs are. Meanwhile, in the real world, I've found that I haven't written a line of code in weeks. Just paragraphs of text that specify what I want and then guidance through and around pitfalls in a simple iterative loop of useful working code. It's entirely a lea…

> Much Much more productive world by just knuckling down and learning how to do the work. The fact everyone that say they've become more productive with LLMs won't say how exactly. I can talk about how VIM have make it more enjoyable to edit code (keybinding and motions), how Emacs is a good environment around text tooling (lisp machine), how I use technical books to further my learning (so many great books out here)…

The key difference is that this is a multidisciplinary conversational interface, and a tool in itself for interrelating structured meaning and reshaping it coherently enough so that it can be of great value both in the specific domain of the dialog, and in the potential to take it on any tangent in any way that can be expressed.

Of course it has limitations and you can't be sleep at the wheel, but that's true of any tool or task.

Re: Terence Tao on O1

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I entirely agree about their utility. HN, and the internet in general, have become just an ocean of reactionary sandbagging and blather about how "useless" LLMs are. Meanwhile, in the real world, I've found that I haven't written a line of code in weeks. Just paragraphs of text that specify what I want and then guidance through and around pitfalls in a simple iterative loop of useful working code. It's entirely a lea…

> Much Much more productive world by just knuckling down and learning how to do the work. The fact everyone that say they've become more productive with LLMs won't say how exactly. I can talk about how VIM have make it more enjoyable to edit code (keybinding and motions), how Emacs is a good environment around text tooling (lisp machine), how I use technical books to further my learning (so many great books out here)…

For one, I spend less time on Stackoverflow. LLMs can usually give you the answer to little questions about programming or command-line utilities right away.

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ChatGPT voice interface plugged into the audio stream, with the prompt: - I need you to assist me during a programming interview, you will be listening to two people, the interviewer and me. When the interviewer asks a question, I'd like you to feed me lines that seem realistic for an interview where I'm nervous, don't give me a full blown answer right away. Be very succinct. If I think you misunderstood something, I…

This made me laugh. I can't deny it isn't already happening. But wow people work so hard to avoid working hard.

And I wrote this as a knee-jerk reaction after reading the parent, I imagine people will be putting way more effort if it can get them a great job. And to be honest, if they can fool you, they can most likely do the job as well. Most of the industry tests at a higher skill level than what they actually require on the day to day anyway.

Re: Terence Tao on O1

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post #69

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ChatGPT voice interface plugged into the audio stream, with the prompt: - I need you to assist me during a programming interview, you will be listening to two people, the interviewer and me. When the interviewer asks a question, I'd like you to feed me lines that seem realistic for an interview where I'm nervous, don't give me a full blown answer right away. Be very succinct. If I think you misunderstood something, I…

This made me laugh. I can't deny it isn't already happening. But wow people work so hard to avoid working hard.

It's almost inspiring, isn't it?
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