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Re: What you can get out of a high-quality font

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It vexes me that almost no one uses the real minus sign. But you also can't blame them since it's never been made readily-available. So you really have to be pedantic and spend time going to get it if you want to use it.

Most people aren't even aware there's a "real" (or rather, fake) minus sign. I didn't know until reading this thread. The hyphen is right next to the +/= key, so it's not unreasonable at all to think the _/- key is minus.

Yeah I had no idea either, but I'm sorry to say it's going in the same bucket as using a real em-dash vs a double hypen--if it's not on my keyboard it's not gonna happen.

Re: What you can get out of a high-quality font

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Most people aren't even aware there's a "real" (or rather, fake) minus sign. I didn't know until reading this thread. The hyphen is right next to the +/= key, so it's not unreasonable at all to think the _/- key is minus.

Yeah I had no idea either, but I'm sorry to say it's going in the same bucket as using a real em-dash vs a double hypen--if it's not on my keyboard it's not gonna happen.

Mac OS has option+- for en dash and option+shift+- for em dash. I used to add similar bindings on Windows via AutoHotkey (which is an amazing app all around...)

There's also option+space for   and other goodies. I recently added option+x for "checkmark x" and option+v for "checkmark v" since I like dropping those around more often than I should...

Re: What you can get out of a high-quality font

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Wow, is Inter ever a beautiful typeface. A rare find when there seemed to be a glut of corporate NIH typefaces for a while. macOS used to ship with a beautiful Hebrew typeface that was like the open-source font Shofar, but it seems to have been removed. I do not see similar Hebrew letters in one of the remaining typefaces. I imagine that it is not easy to give a typeface a consistent feel, in all Latin and non-Latin…

The number of fonts that include even two good alphabets is pretty low. I have run into needing english and greek or cyrillic in the same document. I know of like three good fonts that have a good english and a good greek. My eye isn't as practiced at looking at cyrillic fonts but it seems even rarer for that combination. Which honestly makes sense and there may not be a solution for. Different alphabets and writing…

English is a language, Cyrillic is an alphabet, and Greek is both. The alphabet one finds in the range U+0000 to U+007F is called "Latin", not "English". If any alphabet has a claim on being "English", it's Shavian. (Found at U+10450 to U+1047F.)

Re: What you can get out of a high-quality font

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post #71

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It vexes me that almost no one uses the real minus sign. But you also can't blame them since it's never been made readily-available. So you really have to be pedantic and spend time going to get it if you want to use it.

Most people aren't even aware there's a "real" (or rather, fake) minus sign. I didn't know until reading this thread. The hyphen is right next to the +/= key, so it's not unreasonable at all to think the _/- key is minus.

That's hyphen-minus, which is both a hyphen AND a minus:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyphen-minus

Re: What you can get out of a high-quality font

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I like tabular numerals. But you really need a small set of other glyphs to be tabular to really make them work. In particular, you need the plus and minus signs to be the same width, so that in a table like: gold +1.2% oil -6.4% corn +5.2% everything lines up and looks nice. At the moment, with CSS, there's no way to make that happen, and in normal typefaces the hyphen-minus is too narrow. You can replace the minus…

I hear you. Back when I was in Investment Banking, I was guilty of replacing hyphens with en dashes in all sorts of labels to make them line up properly in a table... It wasn't perfect, but it was a decent improvement Generally, numbers were right-aligned in cells, so the % at the end was consistent (when present) and the plus/minus before the numbers didn't make a difference because of the alignment. But labels on t…

It's an improvement until someone wants to copy and paste a negative number, then suddenly the closest heavy object to the user is travelling rapidly towards your head.

Re: What you can get out of a high-quality font

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Yeah I had no idea either, but I'm sorry to say it's going in the same bucket as using a real em-dash vs a double hypen--if it's not on my keyboard it's not gonna happen.

Mac OS has option+- for en dash and option+shift+- for em dash. I used to add similar bindings on Windows via AutoHotkey (which is an amazing app all around...) There's also option+space for   and other goodies. I recently added option+x for "checkmark x" and option+v for "checkmark v" since I like dropping those around more often than I should...

This. Em dashes are—as punctuation goes—downright sexy, so I committed shift+opt+- to muscle memory long ago. And it's arguably less work than a bucked-toothed double hyphen.

Btw, if you haven't already, check out Karabiner on macOS for AutoHotkey-esque functionality.

Re: What you can get out of a high-quality font

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The number of fonts that include even two good alphabets is pretty low. I have run into needing english and greek or cyrillic in the same document. I know of like three good fonts that have a good english and a good greek. My eye isn't as practiced at looking at cyrillic fonts but it seems even rarer for that combination. Which honestly makes sense and there may not be a solution for. Different alphabets and writing…

English is a language, Cyrillic is an alphabet, and Greek is both. The alphabet one finds in the range U+0000 to U+007F is called "Latin", not "English". If any alphabet has a claim on being "English", it's Shavian. (Found at U+10450 to U+1047F.)

thats the kind of nitpick that got us where we are today :)

if you're talking with users, you assume alphabets and map from the languages.

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