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Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

#91
I had a small conspiratorial thought while watching this event:

"Apple Intelligence" does not come to Europe and the rest of the world because of the DMA/DSA or other regulations. It doesn’t come, because language support isn’t there.

They are only announcing US English support, with some other English dialects in December: https://eu-img-cdn.livecenter.com/lc-images-2021/lcimg-72ed0...

And the list of proposed languages coming sometimes in 2025 is rather anaemic: https://eu-img-cdn.livecenter.com/lc-images-2021/lcimg-8aec0...

Granted, Silicon Valley companies are mostly rather bad when it comes to other languages (and even more other cultures), but Apple in the last decade tried at least and language support for Siri, dictation and such had in the past much fuller lists of language support. When was the last time they had to pad an extra slide with different variants of English [1]? When did they had to put Spanish, the quasi second language of the US, into next year? And missing from the next year slide are major languages like Arabic, Japanese, German, Italian, Hindi and a lot of more languages Siri already could do, although badly.

Maybe the new LLM/ML training for "Apple Intelligence" needs far more data, bigger data sets and that's why?

[1] Normally I would have thought of a slide with english dialects as a good thing. Computer language systems should recognize that the English language is different in different countries, that different English-speaking cultures are different and I'd argue even "UK English" is far to wide for that country of dozens of vastly different dialects. And of course the biggest English dialect is missing: "English as a second/nth language" or better "English with an accent".

Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

#92

The Pro variant is unusually poorly differentiated from the base model this cycle: https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/ The 13 Pro had ProMotion, 14 Pro had Dynamic Island and Always On display, the 15 Pro had USB-C and the Action Button, the 16 Pro...has maybe slightly faster AI? 4k120fps video? USB-C w/ USB 3? Not things most people would care about. ProMotion/Always On is still limited to the Pro models which is…

The 5x (vs 2x) optical zoom will also convince a few to go for the Pro. Isn’t the price difference smaller than previous models too?

The extra optical zoom has been THE defining feature that pushes PRO to most users. It's a feature enjoyed by anyone and everyone.

Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

#94
post #82

Smaller notch? Touch ID? Better battery life? Faster charging? Larger default storage? Nope, let's skip all that and spend most of the event talking about video recording. Is anyone here actually excited about the features they just announced? Or are people simply upgrading because they get the latest iPhone every year or two by default?

> Better battery life

That’s the only thing from your list that people actually care about and they did improve battery life, there was a whole segment about it.

The rest? No one cares. Do you even use an iPhone? You sound like me before I got an iPhone:

- I thought the notch would be annoying, I don’t even notice it anymore, it’s never been an issue in actual use

- I was convinced TouchID was better than FaceID but I completely changed my mind. FaceID is just more reliable and convenient, especially if you have sweaty palms

- Faster charging? I mean, why not, it’s always nice if it can be faster, but I’ve found fast charging already surprisingly fast whenever I’ve needed to quickly get some % before going out

- Larger default storage? Same, it’s a nice plus, but if you want or need more storage, pay for more? You have the option

Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

#95

I don't see much to upgrade to but, if I didn't get a iPhone 15 Pro I would have probably gotten this. The new camera button is interesting and the gestures are nice. Interesting to see all the rumors of a iPhone Slim / Air be nothing and I almost thought that they would do it on the Pro lineup.

The slim rumors are for the iPhone 17 line when they drop the Plus from the lineup. The rumors spanning two generations ahead is confusing.

Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

#96
post #82

Smaller notch? Touch ID? Better battery life? Faster charging? Larger default storage? Nope, let's skip all that and spend most of the event talking about video recording. Is anyone here actually excited about the features they just announced? Or are people simply upgrading because they get the latest iPhone every year or two by default?

5x zoom and the new camera button on the Pro sound great to me, will probably upgrade from my 12 mini for that

I don’t shoot much video but I do take photos

Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

#97
post #82

Smaller notch? Touch ID? Better battery life? Faster charging? Larger default storage? Nope, let's skip all that and spend most of the event talking about video recording. Is anyone here actually excited about the features they just announced? Or are people simply upgrading because they get the latest iPhone every year or two by default?

Do people have to "upgrade" constantly? Shouldn't the iPhone get at least a little bit better every year, even if no one "upgrades"? I often use my devices for years until they break in some way, and then I get a new one... is it really so wrong that the 2024 model is only better in ways you don't care about from the 2023 model?

Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

#98

The Pro variant is unusually poorly differentiated from the base model this cycle: https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/ The 13 Pro had ProMotion, 14 Pro had Dynamic Island and Always On display, the 15 Pro had USB-C and the Action Button, the 16 Pro...has maybe slightly faster AI? 4k120fps video? USB-C w/ USB 3? Not things most people would care about. ProMotion/Always On is still limited to the Pro models which is…

The 5x (vs 2x) optical zoom will also convince a few to go for the Pro. Isn’t the price difference smaller than previous models too?

$200 more for the base pro, but looking at trade-in values for my 14, you get half of that back.....

Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

#99
post #79

The more I watch, the sadder I get. It seems they've gone in the wrong direction. They have nothing to offer regular phone users, so they're targeting "creative professionals" with fancy features.

We’re at a point where regular users already have everything they need, from any model in the past few years.

Before the iPhone, we thought we already had everything we needed.

Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

#100

So did they just give up on Blood-Oxygen sensing on the Watch? Thought it might be a good time to update my Watch 6 (black titanium) to a 10, since they brought back the black titanium, but they just have no answer for the blood-oxygen lawsuit?

Maybe they are just not reporting it. Sleep apnea detection is probably using blood oxygen levels.

It was using the accelerometer to detect breaths, or absence, and uses a month's worth of data, so not using O2 at all.
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