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The people that built it and made it that way in America were all immigrants.
I didn't know Bell labs employees Steve Jobs and Bill Gates were all immigrants
Steve Jobs' father and grandparents were Syrian.
How immigration remade the U.S. labor force
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Re: How immigration remade the U.S. labor force
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A person in the US founding a startup has access and exposure to the deepest capital markets in the world, the largest domestic market in the world, a stable legal and political environment, and a phenomenal talent pool. A person doing the same in e.g. Vietnam has access to almost 0 VC funding, tiny domestic market, his efforts are hindered by a capricious and restrictive legal and political environment and a very lo…
Opportunities didn't exist in America until Americans made them exist. Apple was founded in a garage. Time for people in other countries to do the same for their own country. A good product or a good idea will surface. Your excuses fall on deaf ears.
...and yet America was built by immigrants who couldn't make opportunities at home.
Re: How immigration remade the U.S. labor force
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Would you be okay with highly skilled immigrants then? Or would large amounts of them (us) piss you off as well? I consider the fact that anyone can come to America and become American regardless of ethnicity actually amazing. Fuck nation states where you need to look a certain way to be considered as one of them.
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The rich have never cared about things you mentioned. They have always exploited the working class, all this talk of "shared blood, culture and history" has largely been just a tool of control, not something they actually cared about. Before that, it was God which they used to keep the peasants in control.
Fair distribution of wealth, that is ultimately the only real question that matters. The ultra-rich are the threat to our nations, not the poor masses of immigrants, who are simply brought in to make them even more money.
Re: How immigration remade the U.S. labor force
#94>Recent immigrants tend to earn less than U.S.-born workers because of their lower level of education, lack of English, and in some cases because they are working without permission. They might also compete with existing workers with less education and put downward pressure on their wages, too. This is my biggest problem with immigration. It is a handout to corporations. If we think about the poorest Americans, this…
Yes, it distorts wages as a function of supply and demand. Workers cannot bargain, because corporations simply import new people. In the EU it is done by both importing people and extending the EU eastwards. The quality of life has dropped dramatically in the original EU countries.
> The quality of life has dropped dramatically in the original EU countries.
That doesn't reflect the reality that I see at all. The only area where quality of life is worse than previous generations is in property ownership - particularly in bigger cities and suburbs. But that's reflected across many industrialised nations from UK, Canada, NZ, Australia, so it's not a problem just limited to EU countries.
Otherwise the net price of "stuff" from electronics, cars, food, clothes, shoes and household accessories have fallen a lot in real terms and people have lots more than ever before - maybe too much ?
Re: How immigration remade the U.S. labor force
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> "you also have to wonder where the salaries would be at in tech, and how many more citizens would be training for these roles if it weren't for H-1B visa" On the flip side, you have to wonder where the American tech industry would be without immigrants. Nvidia was founded by the son of Taiwanese parents who sent their children to live with an uncle in the US. That's one of the many immigration paths that the MAGAs…
> the son of Taiwanese parents who sent their children to live with an uncle in the US. That's one of the many immigration paths that the MAGAs want to close. Is this an actual immigration path that still remains open? I find it hard to believe.
It’s a patchwork. The latest policy to allow undocumented immigrant children to stay is from 2012 and still in effect:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferred_Action_for_Childhood_...
Re: How immigration remade the U.S. labor force
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> "you also have to wonder where the salaries would be at in tech, and how many more citizens would be training for these roles if it weren't for H-1B visa" On the flip side, you have to wonder where the American tech industry would be without immigrants. Nvidia was founded by the son of Taiwanese parents who sent their children to live with an uncle in the US. That's one of the many immigration paths that the MAGAs…
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55% of American unicorn startups have at least one immigrant founder.
Are you saying all those companies would still exist if there was no immigration?
Extending the same logic, the British colonies never needed to be established. Native Americans would have started Nvidia on their own eventually. (“Silicon Cahokia?”)
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Because their country doesn't offer the same opportunities to achieve the things they believe they can in their new country. It's the main reason people emigrate. No one's going to build Nvidia in India or China, for instance, at least not back in the time that it was created in America.
America didn't used to be the country that offered those opportunities. Yet people built it and made it that way. Nothing is static people csn change anything These people need to do that in their own countries.
> didn't used to be
That's false. By definition none would have come if there wasn't opportunity. You don't need to be a geography student to see that it wasn't just irreligious opportunity.
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No not really. Maybe in Ellis Island days. Most born Americans certainly have no fainest clue how hard it is to legally immigrate to the USA already.
Actually it is incredibly easy. But keyword is not "productivity", it is "family". Who knew.. that the racist plan to ensure the population stays white actually had the reverse effect.. 2024 and nothing's still being done about it because That's racist doh!
Family reunification with your uncle is impossible. You literally just proved my point.
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The value and commensurate compensation of talent depends on location. Proximity to colleagues, decision makers, and capital.
Somebody has to sacrifice to be the first to start something like that in their own country. In America we built companies art and music out of our garages just for the love of it... not because "that's where the compensation was."
What are you talking about? Is this fact or romance? The country certainly did not become what it is through love of sacrifice.
Re: How immigration remade the U.S. labor force
#100How do all these people immigrate to the US? Is it all family-based? I work in technological field with many more opportunities in the US and have researched how to move there but it seems almost impossible. I know an American who applied for jobs in my country, got an offer and was over within a few months but that doesn't work the other way round.