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Microsoft donates the Mono Project to the Wine team

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Re: Microsoft donates the Mono Project to the Wine team

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I dont think this makes sense. What value would even be written off here?

A value you come up with hoping the IRS will not one day disagree.

This gives me strong https://youtu.be/aCP27_vquxQ?si=WztFEXETGLcsAT51 vibes.

I dont think this is how it works in the real world.

Even if it did, giving it away would be equally a write off as just shutting it down.

Re: Microsoft donates the Mono Project to the Wine team

#92
post #46

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Mono can run old .NET framework applications directly.

OK, but that doesn't require any further changes to Mono. It should essentially be a read-only project going forward.

Is there anything to suggest that there will be further changes? I mean, other than bug fixes.

Re: Microsoft donates the Mono Project to the Wine team

#93
post #59
post #43

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I'm not a dog person: a puppy would be a burden (financially and time-wise) and provide me barely any fun.

That's what ’free as in puppies’ mean. Free software is typically described as "free as in freedom" or "free as in free beer". (This is probably a limitation of English tho, my language has 2 different words for permissions and costlessness.) GP above proposes the "free as in puppy" variant, which means that it is a burden of maintenance. I can't recall any real examples for this.

If you want to be pedantic, English does have distinct words for the two connotations of free--"liberal" and "gratuitous". Although it should also be immediately obvious why those words aren't preferred either: "liberal" also has several other connotations (to the point that a "Liberal Party" could be almost anywhere on the political spectrum), while "gratuitous" tends to lean more towards "unnecessary" than "free of charge" in common parlance.

Re: Microsoft donates the Mono Project to the Wine team

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I always assumed Microsoft did not condone Wine or other re-implementations of their APIs (like ReactOS), but that they were protected by DMCA reverse engineering provisions and anyway too insignificant to send the legal team after.

Wikipedia says,

> Until 2020, Microsoft had not made any public statements about Wine. ... On 16 February 2005, Ivan Leo Puoti discovered that Microsoft had started checking the Windows Registry for the Wine configuration key and would block the Windows Update for any component. As Puoti noted: "It's also the first time Microsoft acknowledges the existence of Wine."

> In January 2020, Microsoft cited Wine as a positive consequence of being able to reimplement APIs, in its amicus curiae brief for Google LLC v. Oracle America, Inc.

Re: Microsoft donates the Mono Project to the Wine team

#96
post #38

I feel like I’m missing some context here. Is this a “free as in take this puppy” situation? How do the wine developers benefit from this?

Microsoft's own FOSS multiplatform implementation of the .NET runtime is now much more performant and feature complete than Mono. However Mono is easier to embed into other applications and easier to port to new platforms. That is for example why it's used for the .NET/Blazor WebAssembly stuff. Microsoft still maintains their own fork of Mono for this specific use case. Mono also implements some of the legacy Windows…

Winforms and WPF are both very maintained and supported for .NET 8 on Windows, to clarify. Good cross platform desktop frameworks include Avalonia.

Re: Microsoft donates the Mono Project to the Wine team

#97
post #59
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a dog person: a puppy would be a burden (financially and time-wise) and provide me barely any fun.

That's what ’free as in puppies’ mean. Free software is typically described as "free as in freedom" or "free as in free beer". (This is probably a limitation of English tho, my language has 2 different words for permissions and costlessness.) GP above proposes the "free as in puppy" variant, which means that it is a burden of maintenance. I can't recall any real examples for this.

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Re: Microsoft donates the Mono Project to the Wine team

#98
post #45

I know it's a long-standing empirical truth that anyone involved with Mono is required to prefer doing just about anything besides thinking about or touching what's on the Mono project website, but this announcement really deserves to be put on page unto itself with a URL all its own, rather than shoehorned into an anonymous div on the Mono landing page and at the top of /news. See https://simonwillison.net/2024/Jul/…

It seems like the link we got (https://www.mono-project.com) might be the URL for the announcement - that's to say, this is the last update on that website, and will stay there indefinitely.

Re: Microsoft donates the Mono Project to the Wine team

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OK, but that doesn't require any further changes to Mono. It should essentially be a read-only project going forward.

Is there anything to suggest that there will be further changes? I mean, other than bug fixes.

I’m surprised that such an old product would even get bug fixes. It’s not like Microsoft is fixing bugs in .NET Framework anymore.

Re: Microsoft donates the Mono Project to the Wine team

#100
post #59
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a dog person: a puppy would be a burden (financially and time-wise) and provide me barely any fun.

That's what ’free as in puppies’ mean. Free software is typically described as "free as in freedom" or "free as in free beer". (This is probably a limitation of English tho, my language has 2 different words for permissions and costlessness.) GP above proposes the "free as in puppy" variant, which means that it is a burden of maintenance. I can't recall any real examples for this.

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