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Your Immune System Is Not a Muscle

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Re: Your Immune System Is Not a Muscle

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

randomdata wrote: post #32
jasonvorhe wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people aren't actually interested in knowing what's going on. But one can find out. Even if one isn't conspiracy minded, it's quite obvious that oligarchs, their multinational companies and governments couldn't give a single fuck about normal people. PFAS and microplastics everywhere, rises in autoimmune diseases as well as allergies and Alzheimer's. Addictive amounts of sugar in a lot of food. GMOs everywhere u…

> Addictive amounts of sugar in a lot of food. Realistically, this and seed oils are the only place you are going to really encounter GMOs. If you are avoiding such processed food anyway... > GMOs everywhere unless you can pay extra for organic. If you really must binge on the junk food and are concerned about any GMO content, why are you paying extra for organic? Why not just buy non-GMO products?

> If you really must binge on the junk food

This is inaccurate - the other day I wanted to get some cookies for a child - label said sugar content was like 25%, that's insane. I have baked cookies myself, you don't need that much sugar to get decent tasting cookies, they are not suppose to be junk food. it's everywhere, not just chocolates, even in bread.

It better be a malevolent conspiracy, because if not, then it's suicidal stupidity of our species.

Re: Your Immune System Is Not a Muscle

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Post by Temporary_31337 »

prologist11 wrote: post #81

It's actually a lot more interesting than what the article explains here. The immune system essentially goes through a process of hypermutation and can be compared to a hashmap which is populated during the first few years of one's life. After that the hashmap is essentially frozen. This is why early immunization is very important because being exposed to mild pathogens when young helps one's immune system recognize…

That eventually can be over 100 years sometimes? Can you point to some research about immunity being much stronger acquired early on? For some vaccines boosters are needed anyway.

Re: Your Immune System Is Not a Muscle

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Post by bink »

DontchaKnowit wrote: post #46
ransom1538 wrote: post #9

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IHMO An old myth, I believe: Your immune system needs something to fight, otherwise, it starts finding problems that aren't.

I had an allergist tell me about a study that supported this idea recently : Introduction of pig whipworm eggs into the digestive tract of IBS patients reduced symptoms for a some patients. Pretty fascinating actually. I was seeing the allergist for my eczema and he asked me if I experienced symptom relief when traveling abroad, which I did in Honduras. He thought I may have been exposed to a parasite there that dive…

As I understood it the reason why some parasites can have beneficial impact on some autoimmune disorders is because they have evolved the ability to suppress the immune system, not because they overwork the immune system. But I've really only heard of this being a thing with IBS.

Re: Your Immune System Is Not a Muscle

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Post by bink »

SoftTalker wrote: post #39

> Comparing the immune system to a muscle that gets stronger with use is overly simplistic and, in many cases, inaccurate. But a vaccine does something analogous: it "exercises" the immune system (hopefully harmlessly) to strengthen it for when real pathogens are encountered. So between vaccines, and natural immunities developed by exposure to and recovering from a disease, the "getting stronger with use" comparison…

But it isn't the "exercising" of the immune system that provides the benefit, it's training it to recognize a new virus. If that could be done without a huge immune response it would be just as effective. The immune system isn't any stronger after a vaccination, it's just smarter. Presumably exposing the immune system to several unrelated viruses provides no benefits as to how it can deal with the target virus.

Re: Your Immune System Is Not a Muscle

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Post by renegade-otter »

tomlue wrote: post #79
renegade-otter wrote: post #60

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The one thing that shocked me after moving to the States was how no one washed their hands before meals. It's just not a thing.

weird, I've lived in the US most of my life and I think pretty much everyone washes their hands?

When people walk into a restaurant - fast food, slow food - especially before COVID, do you see people go to the bathroom to wash their hands before the meal? That never happens.

Re: Your Immune System Is Not a Muscle

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Post by voisin »

autokad wrote: post #67
Xcelerate wrote: post #4

I don’t know enough to comment on the Hygiene / Old Friends hypothesis, but anecdotally it seems like almost everyone I know now has an allergy or autoimmune disorder of some sort. After giving birth, my sister suddenly developed something similar to celiac disease (but not quite the same; I don’t think doctors ever figured out exactly what it is) to where she can’t eat grains and a few other types of food as well. I…

I use to get the flu 1 or 2 times a year. I started going out in more crowded areas, going to pub, etc, and I haven't had a cold or flu in 4 years. I don't know the article knows as much as they think they do about health, because using muscles also damages them. I been nursing a bicep injury for the last 4 months. I get its not a prefect analogy, but nothing is, else it would be the same thing I don't think people s…

> total avoidance of germs is quite harmful

This isn’t the argument being made in the article.

Re: Your Immune System Is Not a Muscle

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Post by prologist11 »

Temporary_31337 wrote: post #92
prologist11 wrote: post #81

It's actually a lot more interesting than what the article explains here. The immune system essentially goes through a process of hypermutation and can be compared to a hashmap which is populated during the first few years of one's life. After that the hashmap is essentially frozen. This is why early immunization is very important because being exposed to mild pathogens when young helps one's immune system recognize…

That eventually can be over 100 years sometimes? Can you point to some research about immunity being much stronger acquired early on? For some vaccines boosters are needed anyway.

Here you go: https://meshb.nlm.nih.gov/record/ui?name=Immunoglobulin+soma...

Re: Your Immune System Is Not a Muscle

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Post by graeme »

SkyPuncher wrote: post #90
aszantu wrote: post #73

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https://github.com/cutestuff/FoodDepressionConundrum Been collecting for a while. Latest success was supplementing with a probiotic specifically for oxolates. Prepare the gut with l-glutamine and silicea if you go that route

Have you tried taking an anti-acid or acids reducer? I was getting a rough depression after eating certain foods. My/my doctors current hypothesis is my liver was producing too much bile acid and triggering a condition known as bile acid malabsorption. This would basically wipe my gut out. I couldn’t absorb nutrients correctly so my mood and energy levels would drop. I now know it lasts a few days if I goof up my die…

What did you do to resolve the problem?

Re: Your Immune System Is Not a Muscle

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Post by code_biologist »

aqfamnzc wrote: post #88
idunnoman1222 wrote: post #84

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Once a (DNA) virus incorporates itself inside your DNA and that cell divides you are never getting rid of the virus

Wait, is that how viruses work? Is a parent guaranteed to pass on viral illness to their children (genetically) then?

Only some viruses work this way, HIV is an example. This is a good article on endogenous retroviruses [1], that is viruses that work by integrating themselves into host DNA (a retrovirus) and made it into germline cells (eggs and sperm, the endogenous part).

[1] https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20230519-the-viruses-that...

Re: Your Immune System Is Not a Muscle

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Post by Grimblewald »

Xcelerate wrote: post #4

I don’t know enough to comment on the Hygiene / Old Friends hypothesis, but anecdotally it seems like almost everyone I know now has an allergy or autoimmune disorder of some sort. After giving birth, my sister suddenly developed something similar to celiac disease (but not quite the same; I don’t think doctors ever figured out exactly what it is) to where she can’t eat grains and a few other types of food as well. I…

We use a lot more preservatives now than we used to. We typically dont mill grain locally anymore for example, but grain is a near perfect fungal substrate, so we have to douse it in all sorts of antifungal agents so that the grain survives shipping to the phillipines and then the flour needs protection on its journey to whatever country it is going to. (warning, anecdata) Most people i know who have non coeliac gluten intolerance, tolerate gluten just fine. They can eat seitan made using locally milled / grown grain just fine. Seitan is almost pure gluten. The gluten isnt the issue for these folks, myself included. Our over-reliance on pesticides/herbicides/fungicides is, in my opinion, a very plausible explanation that appeared roughly the same time as this spike in issues.
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