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Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by jeltz »

janandonly wrote: post #2

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> If compliance or braking a law is simply some S3 buckets with a different latency and “zone” then breaking the law becomes trivially easy to do. And devilishly hard to check.

If it is a genuine mistake the fine would be tiny if there would be a fine at all. At least that is how it has been in other cases. A this big fine indicates that the DPA found serious negligence or willfulness.

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by crote »

janandonly wrote: post #2

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So, what's your point? The same thing applies to insider trading, forming a cartel, or running a protection racket. Willfully not complying with authorities tends to be quite bad for your business, especially when you've already been investigated for breaking the law before.

The DPA has previously fined Uber €600.000, €10.000.000, and now €290.000.000. Do you really think they won't do a follow-up investigation and issue another fine if they are found to still be in violation?

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by codedokode »

znpy wrote: post #87
tpm wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How would the government even know that a big company is transgressing the rules? By investigating a complaint? From the article: The Dutch DPA started the investigation on Uber after more than 170 French drivers complained...

Your comment and the article however don’t explain what the group complained about and how did they know data was being transmitted to the us, though. Did they made the allegations up and they happened to be right? I don’t think that’s the case.

For example, an email could come from US server containing their name. Or the website with the driver's account might be located on US server.

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by codedokode »

janandonly wrote: post #2

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There are actually many ways to look inside a "black" box, for example: an employee with high moral qualities might leak the info, or a company might send an email containing person's name from an US server, or an mobile app can be reverse egineered, or data might be available via foreign API server, or hackers might publish the leaked data, etc.

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by bartread »

janandonly wrote: post #2

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> If compliance or braking a law is simply some S3 buckets with a different latency and “zone” then breaking the law becomes trivially easy to do. And devilishly hard to check.

It's always trivially easy to break the law and not get caught for it.

I'm currently in a small village and if I want to break the law right now I can go outside, get in my car, and accelerate to 90mph along the 30mph road running past the house. I'd probably get away with it too.

But I wouldn't be doing it by accident: I'd be doing it because I'd chosen to.

In the same way, whilst I could configure an S3 bucket in a different zone, I'd have to choose to do that. It's not that easy to get it wrong.

I'm not about to do either of these things.

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by oersted »

janandonly wrote: post #2

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I mean, relative to what? Most serious crimes I can think of have a hard-to-crack black box around them.

Is it any easier to investigate violent crimes like murder? Financial crimes? Organized crime? Smuggling? Fraud? Criminal negligence (like food or environmental contamination)?

I do agree though that with current cloud infrastructure and engineering standards it is rather easy to do accidentally.

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by wyager »

We are fortunate to have lived through a brief period where the internet was truly a global network. A person in the Netherlands or Nigeria [1] could access the best technology services the world had to offer. People could more or less interact freely across borders.

Obviously this is coming to an end. Every fiefdom wants their cut and their say, to the point where the internet being a global network is obviously becoming inviable. It was fun while it lasted.

[1]: https://www.reuters.com/technology/nigerias-consumer-watchdo...

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by piva00 »

llm_trw wrote: post #12
anonzzzies wrote: post #9

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Too much money here to leave it behind. This is a slap on the wrist anyway.

Thats what the Chinese through during the industrial revolution.

Let me know which tech company is willing to leave behind 1/2 to 2/3 of the revenue they make in the USA by quitting the European market.

The analogy to China during the industrial revolution is simply non-applicable, to the point of not being even wrong.

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