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Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by aquatica »

greatgib wrote: post #2

I did not see the info anywhere else, but it was just broadcasted by the main French tv channel. Pavel Durov, the Telegram founder was just arrested out of his airplane in the Bourget airport in France near Paris. There is no info about why exactly he was arrested but it looks like that French police had a warrant for him. But it looks like it is because that he is accused of being an accessory of a lot of things lik…

> "I can easily guess that assholes in secret service would probably like very much to use that to blackmail him to add backdoors to telegram. So sad."

Telegram is a backdoor by design. The server has complete access to all your messages, they can do whatever they want with those.

And they even had a backdoor in E2EE chats, see: https://habr.com/ru/articles/206900/

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by chad1n »

gtvwill wrote: post #83
codedokode wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean by "knowingly providing a service to a criminal"? Is Elon Mask then guilty for providing access to Twitter for Trump?

Well much like the owner of omegle found out you can't provide platforms for criminal activities and make no effort to curb it. It only takes a 30 second google before you find telegram rooms offering all kinds of illegal stuff. You don't find that on Twitter. Twitter is atleast mildly moderated. Telegram could have moderation built in to catch illegal activities but it chooses to do nothing. See the difference?

Telegram is end-to-end encrypted in private chats, the Telegram team doesn't even know what people are discussing. Same should happen with Whatsapp or Signal. Should Whatsapp or Signal be accountable for what terrorists talk in private?

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by echelon »

gtvwill wrote: post #55
vessenes wrote: post #19

Not clear right now if France thinks he was actively complicit with the four horsemen listed, or if just the act of running Telegram makes him complicit in their eyes, or something in the middle, e.g. they asked for help and Telegram turned them down. This will be an interesting case to watch -- I don't believe there are any western nations that want non-locally-backdoored messaging of any sort -- but generally my un…

But here's the thing. If your app is known to be uses heavily by criminals ranging from Pedo's to drug dealers. You are liable. You run a carrier service. Much like the owner of omegle found out, yes you do have a duty of care. You can't just provide a service that knowingly provides a platform to criminal activity and do jack shit. You live in fairytale land if you think you can.

E2EE should be a human right. Period.

There are other ways to capture and ensnare criminals. Sacrificing our privacy for the "greater good" is a bridge too far.

As one counter point, think about all of the completely fine human behaviors that instantly become kompromat when the powers have access to your every communication. That is way more dangerous to democracy, freedom, and liberty than a slightly smaller chance of "not protecting the children".

Besides, if we actually cared so much about children, we wouldn't let them not get school lunches, we wouldn't sell them on gambling and gacha games, and we'd do a much better job of educating them.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by gtvwill »

chad1n wrote: post #84
gtvwill wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But here's the thing. If your app is known to be uses heavily by criminals ranging from Pedo's to drug dealers. You are liable. You run a carrier service. Much like the owner of omegle found out, yes you do have a duty of care. You can't just provide a service that knowingly provides a platform to criminal activity and do jack shit. You live in fairytale land if you think you can.

You realize that every social media/forum/messaging app should be banned then and every CEO in jail. Bad actors will use anything they can.

No because those platforms make the values token effort to curb illegal activity via moderation be it user performed or done by their own employees. Telegram does not do this. Anywhere at all. It's very different.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by Glacia »

codedokode wrote: post #51
hamilyon2 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The latest evidence of wide cooperation of telegram and Russian officials: https://roskomsvoboda.org/ru/post/shutdown-v-baymake/

The article doesn't contain the evidence though; it claims that someone changed access to private for a Telegram group that covered the protests. However, as the article says, it could be done not only by Telegram, but by one of the administrators.

Except there were multiple different groups that magically happen to go private at the same time.

I'm not even going to mention how many people were arrested over telegram messages in russia.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by alex00 »

valianteffort wrote: post #73
k1ndl1 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telegram is used heavily in both Ukraine & Russia. But I doubt it has anything to do with it.

I watched an expose on drone use in Ukraine and it appear they are using discord of all services...

Bad operational security. Still it is them communicating with each other using Discord. They use Telegram to communicate with the masses.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by rubymamis »

EduardoBautista wrote: post #75
chad1n wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EU has been complaining about Telegram's end-to-end encryption for a long time and they want to implement some regulations to basically add backdoors into all messaging apps. I don't really see how this case will go on since at least private chats are encrypted so Telegram (theoretically at least) can't see the contents.

Are they going to arrest Zuckerberg and Tim Cook next for the encryption in WhatsApp and iMessage?

Maybe not, if they already got backdoors?

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by gmueckl »

codedokode wrote: post #65
gtvwill wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But here's the thing. If your app is known to be uses heavily by criminals ranging from Pedo's to drug dealers. You are liable. You run a carrier service. Much like the owner of omegle found out, yes you do have a duty of care. You can't just provide a service that knowingly provides a platform to criminal activity and do jack shit. You live in fairytale land if you think you can.

What do you mean by "knowingly providing a service to a criminal"? Is Elon Mask then guilty for providing access to Twitter for Trump?

Twitter already got warned about hosting Trump by the EU.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by marcinzm »

GaggiX wrote: post #45
Glacia wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I can easily guess that assholes in secret service would probably like very much to use that to blackmail him to add backdoors to telegram Do you unironically believe it's not already backdoored for Russian government?

>Do you unironically believe it's not already backdoored for Russian government? Yes as Telegram was banned in Russia for a long time (or at least they tried) before giving up.

If they backdoored it between those events then it’d be logical to unban it.
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