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Re: To preserve their work journalists take archiving into their own hands

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Post by mediumsmart » Tue, Aug 06, 2024, 5:39 AM UTC

msephton wrote: post #40

mediumsmart wrote: post #34

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So if there was a hub where a reporter can send the url of their article when it’s published and the hub then saves that page as text (lynx —dump or whatever) if it’s not paywalled. That would be ok I guess until the hub makes it accessible. Or would it be ok since it was publicly available on the net at one time if the hub only publishes when the original url goes dark?

- https://archive.today (works with some paywall content) - https://web.archive.org etc

Thank you for sharing but that is not news, that’s everything and therefore not searchable. It will have the reporters article and every webpage that quoted, interpreted, summarized and commented on it.

Re: To preserve their work journalists take archiving into their own hands

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Post by Bluestein » Tue, Aug 06, 2024, 8:34 AM UTC

InsideOutSanta wrote: post #31

Bluestein wrote: post #26

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Archive.org is such a godsend.- The entire information 'substrate' of society is ephemeral , if digital, and none (at least not enough) seem to have noticed .-

I wrote a book in 2010. It had a references section with links to about 100 websites. When I wrote the second edition only about five years later, 50% of those links no longer worked. What we're doing right now is borderline insane. We're putting all of this information on the web, but almost each individual bit of information is dependent on either a company or a human being keeping it online. It's inevitable that c…

> wrote a book in 2010. It had a references section

Out of curiosity, may I ask what it was about?

Re: To preserve their work journalists take archiving into their own hands

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Post by walterbell » Wed, Aug 07, 2024, 7:04 AM UTC

InsideOutSanta wrote: post #83

walterbell wrote: post #60

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> references section with links to about 100 websites. Books deserve a github repo with PDF web archives of referenced links, the same way that Wikipedia mirrors the content of cited links.

There are all kinds of publisher and legal issues. Trust me, I did my best.

Could Wikipedia or Archive.org offer references-as-a-service to book publishers for a small fee? They already have the infrastructure and legal cover.

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Post by benjedwards » Wed, Aug 07, 2024, 3:04 PM UTC

vasco wrote: post #30

A nice social attack is to create an internet archive looking website call it archive.newtld and use it to create social proof of things you didn't actually do. "Oh yeah the Washington Post did a redesign but here are my past 10 posts which I saved in archive: link " In post truth internet, proving archives is going to be tough and unless there's some other form of verification it's going to be useless fast for "prov…

I agree. Archives shutting down creates a huge risk for what I call "historical context attacks" in the future, similar to what you're describing.

It's about generating false historical context to support falsified digital artifacts.

I wrote an article about it for Fast Company in 2020:

https://www.fastcompany.com/90549441/how-to-prevent-deepfake...