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Re: Missing Henry VIII portrait found after random X post

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Post by GrumpyNl »

m463 wrote: post #44
qingcharles wrote: post #14

When you're an expert at something and you spend all your days looking at these things, you can pick out remarkable details from nothing. Any regular person looking at the original photo (below) would have seen nothing! https://x.com/Warkslieutenant/status/1808884139585610231/pho... (it's the picture with the curved frame on the left)

my nephew is good at identifying teslas. "if the door handles are straight - S, together - X, hockey sticks - 3 or Y. No handles? cybertruck" :)

When i was a child ( 1970), we used to recognize cars by there tail lights.

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Post by bravetraveler »

m463 wrote: post #44
qingcharles wrote: post #14

When you're an expert at something and you spend all your days looking at these things, you can pick out remarkable details from nothing. Any regular person looking at the original photo (below) would have seen nothing! https://x.com/Warkslieutenant/status/1808884139585610231/pho... (it's the picture with the curved frame on the left)

my nephew is good at identifying teslas. "if the door handles are straight - S, together - X, hockey sticks - 3 or Y. No handles? cybertruck" :)

Your nephew is picking up on design language

It's intentional and serves purpose. Anyone paying attention should find patterns/stylistic choice.

Saturn cars from decades past had very distinct looks, as did a Toyota. One is forgiven overlooking this in a world of "Nearly Everything Looks Like an Overweight Camry".

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Post by pwagland »

xeromal wrote: post #39
actionfromafar wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think Sheldon made these portraits? They were commissioned as mentioned in other comments.

Got you. I was just confused as to why a guy would commission paintings of a king for his own use but I didn't live in that era so maybe it was in vogue.

it is also done these days as well. Look at political and/or musical t-shirts, albeit they are cheaper. However, I have seen some, IMO, pretty crazy dedications. Just as an example: https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2F... I'm sure that you can find similar for other famous politicians.

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Post by wanderingmind »

rolisz wrote: post #90
rowanG077 wrote: post #72

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I disagree. Hasn't it been shown that AI outperform radiologists on recognizing diseases from images?

Not really. On very narrow datasets, from very specific machines. When they tried to generalize (the way a radiologist does) across multiple hospitals and multiple machines from different manufacturers, results are not that good.

can you point to any reports that provides these studies and outcomes?

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Post by serf »

wordofx wrote: post #47
throwup238 wrote: post #29

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By British rules if you can smuggle it out of the country, it's legally yours. That's how they filled the British Museum.

That’s such a dumb comment. Back when the British was taking items back to the UK. There were no rules or systems in place for this stuff. You could buy it, trade it, steal it. It didn’t matter. And the UK isn’t the only country to ever do this. Laws were created to resolve/fix/prevent things happening. You can’t blame people for shit that happened before someone decided it’s wrong.

the moral relative concept that previous peoples' didn't know right-from-wrong is , as always, ridiculous.

we're not talking about a bogus modern concept here, we're talking about cultural theft on a global scale -- and we're pretending that the British did so without ever realizing that stealing artifacts from other nations around the world is A Bad Thing, until of course they produced modern rules to apply to their cultural theft so that the world stage doesn't think too poorly of them (now that they're no longer the king of the world).

Could it be that ancient peoples knew right-from-wrong but didn't care as long as it wasn't their shit disappearing, and as long as it wasn't their natives dying from foreign-borne disease during 'excavations'? As long as it was their museums profiting, and bolstering their professionals?

And how can we presume all this shit is bogus theater in order to have it both ways?

Well, how many artifacts has Britain given back to the world at large that they previously stole?

It's really a shame that those British laws you mentioned don't have any kind of retroactive clauses -- but that might spur actual justice to occur; I'm sure certain law makers may wish to avoid that...

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Post by serf »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #81
BobaFloutist wrote: post #55

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You can , however, blame them for refusing to return the shit they stole.

It’s a conundrum. If we start returning things that were stolen in the past, well that includes a lot of stuff. If you are on the losing side you might sometimes have to return things (see looted nazi stuff), but if you are on the winning side you probably won’t (see pretty much all of the Americas).

You're just re-stating what happens, not why it can't happen.

'Museum attendance might drop a bit so the British Museum of History regrets to inform you and your country that the exhibit is just too popular to return to Tuva. Sorry.'

"Better luck next conquest!" -- is it okay to be that petty with regards to stuff that doesn't necessarily even have 'a winning side', aside from the vultures that profited from the museum work?

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Post by serf »

iamacyborg wrote: post #70
BobaFloutist wrote: post #55

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You can , however, blame them for refusing to return the shit they stole.

Presumably because a lot of it wasn’t stolen but acquired through legal means at the time.

A museum, or generally any arm of academia, should strive to work towards a moral imperative rather than disregarding morality because of a contractual allowance.

Pilfering a nation is often times legal , but it's rarely right.

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Post by krapp »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #81
BobaFloutist wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can , however, blame them for refusing to return the shit they stole.

It’s a conundrum. If we start returning things that were stolen in the past, well that includes a lot of stuff. If you are on the losing side you might sometimes have to return things (see looted nazi stuff), but if you are on the winning side you probably won’t (see pretty much all of the Americas).

>It’s a conundrum. If we start returning things that were stolen in the past, well that includes a lot of stuff.

That isn't a conundrum, it's a hassle.

Britain did the work to plunder the world, they can do the work to return the plunder, or pay rent to the countries they stole from if those countries choose to have their property remain in British custody.

>If you are on the losing side you might sometimes have to return things (see looted nazi stuff), but if you are on the winning side you probably won’t (see pretty much all of the Americas).

The sun set on the British empire ages ago, and it's starting to set on the American empire. In the long term, both will end up on the losing side of history, as all empires do.

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Post by iamacyborg »

serf wrote: post #97
iamacyborg wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably because a lot of it wasn’t stolen but acquired through legal means at the time.

A museum, or generally any arm of academia, should strive to work towards a moral imperative rather than disregarding morality because of a contractual allowance. Pilfering a nation is often times legal , but it's rarely right .

You’re assuming that there is a clear moral right or wrong in this scenario.
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