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Re: Hello Opera 12

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Post by bzbarsky »

rieter wrote: post #31
demetris wrote: post #13

Opera 12 is the first third-party web browser for Windows to offer an official 64-bit version. (Neither Firefox nor Chrome have official 64-bit versions for Windows. And I think Safari for Windows doesn’t have one either.) Does this translate to any substantial improvements in speed? Does anyone here know of any benchmarks?

64-bit is not really useful for browsers with multi-process architecture like Chrome. It is very unlikely that a single tab will need 64-bit address space.

Except once you have enought tabs Chrome starts putting multiple tabs in a single process. The cutoff seems to be somewhere in the low double digits. And at that point, you can in fact start running out of address space (not to be confused with running out of memory) without too much trouble, especially because system libraries on 64-bit OSes have a tendency to be mmap-happy, since they think they have lots of address space to work with.

Re: Hello Opera 12

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Post by kidproquo »

Anyone else having issues with iGoogle? I had it working in 11.6 by identifying as IE, since it would just show a blank page when identifying as Opera/Firefox.

Now, with 12.0, identifying as Opera/Firefox still shows a blank page and identifying as IE just shows the widget headers and no feeds.

Re: Hello Opera 12

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Post by kombine »

kevingadd wrote: post #83

From testing out my demos in Opera Next over the past few months, I've been really impressed with the quality of their JS runtime and the UI. Unfortunately, their hardware-accelerated canvas support doesn't really keep up and their WebGL is outright broken - it looks like they went so far as to disable both by default in 12, a disappointment to be sure - and they still have serious issues with HTML5 audio (to the poi…

This is just an indicator that we need a proper native development environment. Devs who embrace new web technologies like WebGL, or forget that those are just Javascript bindings to the technologies developed in C/C++. Can we please have native code instead, so developer controls the underlying system without having to rely on the wits of browser makers? Google Native Client is a step in the right direction.

Re: Hello Opera 12

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Post by Osiris »

kevingadd wrote: post #83

From testing out my demos in Opera Next over the past few months, I've been really impressed with the quality of their JS runtime and the UI. Unfortunately, their hardware-accelerated canvas support doesn't really keep up and their WebGL is outright broken - it looks like they went so far as to disable both by default in 12, a disappointment to be sure - and they still have serious issues with HTML5 audio (to the poi…

> I wish they had a public bug tracker so it was easier to tell which things are known issues, which things have known workarounds, and which things I should file bugs about.

While it's not possible to track the status of a bug, you can submit them:

https://bugs.opera.com/wizard/

I've submitted quite a few over the years. I've even gotten emails back asking for more information. For example, I submitted a report about an issue with their hardware acceleration detecting the wrong GPU in a multi-GPU system, which they fixed.

Re: Hello Opera 12

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Post by Osiris »

gouranga wrote: post #17
demetris wrote: post #13

Opera 12 is the first third-party web browser for Windows to offer an official 64-bit version. (Neither Firefox nor Chrome have official 64-bit versions for Windows. And I think Safari for Windows doesn’t have one either.) Does this translate to any substantial improvements in speed? Does anyone here know of any benchmarks?

There is an official 64-bit Firefox nightly built for Windows. I tried it and to be honest I can't tell the difference. Also bear in mind that it needs 64-bit Flash and Java plugins which are notoriously problematic.

Opera 12 uses a separate process for plugins like Flash and I believe it can actually use the 32-bit Flash within the external process while still displaying the content within the 64-bit browser.

Re: Hello Opera 12

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Post by Freaky »

rieter wrote: post #31
demetris wrote: post #13

Opera 12 is the first third-party web browser for Windows to offer an official 64-bit version. (Neither Firefox nor Chrome have official 64-bit versions for Windows. And I think Safari for Windows doesn’t have one either.) Does this translate to any substantial improvements in speed? Does anyone here know of any benchmarks?

64-bit is not really useful for browsers with multi-process architecture like Chrome. It is very unlikely that a single tab will need 64-bit address space.

I generally find Chrome likes to start falling over around the 3.5GB mark (as measured by chrome://memory) - larger images stop loading, pages stop rendering properly, and eventually it can end up crashing. Address space fragmentation I'm guessing.

This isn't helped much by Chrome's aggregate memory use being about 10x higher than other browsers. Takes a good 2-300 tabs in Opera to break 4GB, takes more like 20-30 in Chrome.

Re: Hello Opera 12

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Post by Osiris »

ricksta wrote: post #19

Kinda off topic, but Opera Mini and Opera Mobile for Android is vastly superior in terms of smoothness compare to all other available browsers. It is very noticeable especially if the page is heavy. A good test is to load this page http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/internals/howbrowsers... on your Android in different browser and test the responsiveness.

I use Opera Mobile exclusively on Android. Pages load faster and zooming with fit text to screen works really well.

My one frustration is that when launching a web page from another app it always opens a new tab so I end up with 10 tabs open and have to close them all every so often.

Re: Hello Opera 12

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Post by Freaky »

ishansharma wrote: post #77
JohannL wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Opera has an inbuilt IMAP client... which I admittedly never use, but between that and Thunderbird, why would you even want to use webmail? Of course it should still work, even though it's silly, but you also "should" not even notice that it doesn't, is what I'm saying. Certainly if you imply your time is so precious, heh. And what is wrong with F11?

F11: As far as I know, there's no way to make address/tab bar visible in full screen mode. I prefer the way Safari does it. When I take cursor to top, address and tab bar are shown!

It's quite possible with .ini editing or some custom buttons: http://my.opera.com/Tamil/blog/full-screen-mode-with-toolbar...

Re: Hello Opera 12

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Post by excuse-me »

untog wrote: post #86
Egregore wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On my computer most memory hungry apps are browsers. And by the way I use opera to open a lot of tabs and it handles those very well (compared with other browsers)

Right, but 64-bit computing isn't a magic bullet that speeds everything up. As gcp stated, there are both benefits and drawbacks.

Although it does break that annoying 4,294,967,296 open tabs limit!

Re: Hello Opera 12

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Post by excuse-me »

daeken wrote: post #89
ilaksh wrote: post #20

Why don't they enable WebGL by default? I don't see why more people don't realize, WebGL is a prime Microsoft threat and the key to moving away from the MS Windows monopoly. That's why Microsoft has done so much work to try to scare people away from WebGL (by sponsoring 'security research' and creating FUD content on Wikipedia (seriously, look at the history of that article, the person who created the whole 'security…

For background, I write a lot of WebGL demos, I work for Mozilla on gfx optimizations (WebGL and otherwise) for the Boot2Gecko project. I also worked at Matasano Security previously, doing WebGL security research. As such, I tend to think that I'm pretty unbiased in this regard -- or perhaps biased towards WebGL, since I love it and want to see it everywhere. So with all that said, your characterization of MS's secur…

Now I AM scared ....

- off to hide under the bed!

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