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Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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Post by mFixman »

bradvl wrote: post #44

The reason that Ryanair is against OTAs reselling flights is not the fees, it’s that they’re often resold as a package holiday. Package holidays are flights bundled with hotels etc and are usually sold at much higher margin. Ryanair has its own package holiday business and prefers that they make the margin, not someone else. There are many more package holiday companies than airlines, they want to use this ruling and…

A big part is fees. OTAs like Booking sell the base part of flight from Ryanair and low cost airlines at the same price as the airlines but with much higher fees for luggage and extras. They hide this second part from flight search engines, so they appear cheaper when including luggage.

I'm sure that a lot of dislike from low cost airlines comes from shitty OTAs rather than the airlines themselves.

Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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Post by ghaff »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #87
gumby wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Booking.com's … grip on the market? Do they have a significant grip on the market? I’ve never used them, but for all I know they sell a majority of plane tickets. Then again I haven’t used Ryanair either. The reputations of Ryanair, Spirit etc are sufficient for me to avoid them. But in booking.com’s case I barely even know it exists.

They’re bigger in Europe

That's probably true. I've never used them in the US but they seem to often be the site of choice in Europe and Asia (and, based on one recent experience in Europe, can have inventory that can't be accessed any other way). That said, you also have to take direct bookings into account which is most of what I (at any rate) do.

Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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Post by ghaff »

CaptainZapp wrote: post #79
mschuster91 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and that it had induced a third party to access parts of Ryanair's website without authorisation "with an intent to defraud," the verdict said Where was the "defraud" happening here? When Ryanair wants to make money on flights they shouldn't offer flight tickets that only make money when they can lure the consumer to purchase addons via a boatload of dark patterns. For me as someone looking to book a flight, bookin…

> Where is a service where I can just enter from/to which city/airport I want to fly (or in Europe also rail) Try momondo.com. You can add # of luggage (checked in & cabin) and play with some other parameters. They won't, or very rarely will, show train connections. They sometimes show bus connections, though. For train travel I find trainline.com quite good. It gives you an overview over what's available an with whi…

I much prefer to book directly for air and hotels. If something goes wrong, there's one less level of indirection.

Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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Post by SoftTalker »

arghwhat wrote: post #22

> A jury in the District Court of Delaware unanimously found that Booking.com violated the Computer Fraud and Abuse act and that it had induced a third party to access parts of Ryanair's website without authorisation "with an intent to defraud," the verdict said I imagine this is limited to a scenario where you: 1. Act as a middle-man for the transaction (as this lawsuit was about resale), 2. Interfere with pricing o…

We used to regulate air travel. It was a lot more expensive then.

Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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arghwhat wrote: post #22

> A jury in the District Court of Delaware unanimously found that Booking.com violated the Computer Fraud and Abuse act and that it had induced a third party to access parts of Ryanair's website without authorisation "with an intent to defraud," the verdict said I imagine this is limited to a scenario where you: 1. Act as a middle-man for the transaction (as this lawsuit was about resale), 2. Interfere with pricing o…

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Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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Post by codedokode »

gruez wrote: post #74
codedokode wrote: post #40

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I wonder how does booking.com pay for the tickets? Do they use a new card for every transaction or do they buy thousands of tickets with the same card? Do they use a corporate card or personal card (which might be against ToS)? If they use a corporate card, isn't it easy for Ryanair to see it and block the transaction? Also, cannot airline see that requests come from datacenter IPs and not from residential? It looks…

>Also, cannot airline see that requests come from datacenter IPs and not from residential? Easily solveable by getting a data SIM, plugging it into a LTE/5G USB stick, and routing your traffic through that.

It is not very reliable link though, there will be errors, timeouts.

Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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Post by codedokode »

jdietrich wrote: post #46
codedokode wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how does booking.com pay for the tickets? Do they use a new card for every transaction or do they buy thousands of tickets with the same card? Do they use a corporate card or personal card (which might be against ToS)? If they use a corporate card, isn't it easy for Ryanair to see it and block the transaction? Also, cannot airline see that requests come from datacenter IPs and not from residential? It looks…

Virtual credit cards are an established financial technology. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_payment_number IP addresses are a tradeable commodity.

To issue virtual card numbers you must be a bank, right?
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