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Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by jeffbee » Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 6:28 PM UTC

lr1970 wrote: post #85

ahartmetz wrote: post #41

Oof. This guy has been the biggest positive surprise of the US presidents in my lifetime. Expectations were low, but he actually turned out to be a good president (from a European perspective). No new wars, no more talk about shifting defense focus to Asia, generally nothing unreasonable. Good support for Ukraine, no doubts about NATO - rather the opposite. Basically, the rich uncle on the other side of the pond has…

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Trump would (has promised to do so on live television) just give Ukraine to Russia. Biden/USA/allies have stood down Russia, which has been seriously damaged both by battlefield losses, by not achieving their strategic goals and instead entering a second Afghanistan, and by the rapid conversion of the EU economy to no longer need Russian energy.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by karencarits » Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 6:29 PM UTC

coffeecloud wrote: post #60

Sajarin wrote: post #25

> It’s a miracle, folks. Donald told the truth for once. It’s the most important election of our lifetimes. And I will win it. Curiously, his tweet from just 18 hours ago seemed like he was still in the race. I wonder what changed.

I think it was pretty widely understood that he was going to have to be adamantly in the race until the exact moment he wasn’t in the race. The second he showed any public wavering it would have been over.

I can understand that perspective too, but a problem with that approach is that he might seem arrogant and out-of-touch - and I would have difficulties trusting a party who is so clear in their communication for so long, and then abruptly change direction completely

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by throwaway55479 » Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 6:30 PM UTC

Biden winning the race in 2020 [1] was the most commented post on HN.

I found that yesterday while trying to figure out how popular the "crowdstrike" post was, and it is actually the second most commented one.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25015967

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by jeffbee » Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 6:30 PM UTC

daseiner1 wrote: post #52

Sajarin wrote: post #25

> It’s a miracle, folks. Donald told the truth for once. It’s the most important election of our lifetimes. And I will win it. Curiously, his tweet from just 18 hours ago seemed like he was still in the race. I wonder what changed.

The timing of Joe Manchin declining to endorse this morning certainly correlates.

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Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by mock-possum » Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 6:30 PM UTC

BadHumans wrote: post #30

I actually think this loses Democrats the election. I don't know who the nominee is going to be but if it's Kamala I think they REALLY lose the election. People may be lukewarm on Biden but they despise Kamala for her shady history as a prosecutor.

As an anti-trump voter (aka a circumstantial democrat) - that’s what I’m worried about too. It feels like we’ve left it til too late without the democrats putting up anyone that people are excited about - while we know how the other side feels about trump.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by kccoder » Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 6:30 PM UTC

Sajarin wrote: post #25

> It’s a miracle, folks. Donald told the truth for once. It’s the most important election of our lifetimes. And I will win it. Curiously, his tweet from just 18 hours ago seemed like he was still in the race. I wonder what changed.

You behave as though you’re in the race right up to the moment you are not.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by jeffbee » Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 6:31 PM UTC

boomboomsubban wrote: post #73

Rebelgecko wrote: post #43

Is this unprecedented?

Lyndon B Johnson was the last to not seek reelection, though he stepped out in late March.

Odd how the nation has a knack for getting rid of GOATed presidents.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by tzs » Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 6:32 PM UTC

The Democrats now need to emphasize that Trump, who is 78, is too old too. They can feature clips of Trump in 2020 saying that Biden at 78 was too old.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by daseiner1 » Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 6:32 PM UTC

jeffbee wrote: post #94

daseiner1 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The timing of Joe Manchin declining to endorse this morning certainly correlates.

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The entirety of West Virginia, evidently. And all Americans should be interested in the views of one of the foremost “swing vote” senators.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by fullshark » Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 6:34 PM UTC

BadHumans wrote: post #30

I actually think this loses Democrats the election. I don't know who the nominee is going to be but if it's Kamala I think they REALLY lose the election. People may be lukewarm on Biden but they despise Kamala for her shady history as a prosecutor.

The most recent poll this Saturday had Trump up 7 points in Michigan. It's basically impossible for Biden to win in that scenario.

I think they were well on their way to losing and so they hit the panic button with good reason, if anything this will now introduce some uncertainty which improves their chances.