Cuba developed its own COVID vaccine but couldn't give it to its own people because they could not buy metal for syringes. Its fucking crazy.
10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023
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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023
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They are a hostile dictatorship, with zero resources but their oppressed people. Why would USA be interested in allying with them?
The US should oppose expansionist dictatorships that attempt to alter the status quo via forceful revisionism. That's Russia in Ukraine and China in Asia. I don't see how opposing Cuba achieves anything in the US interests.
Which countries has China invaded in the past few decades?
Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023
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> With 1m people leaving in a year, it clearly has its issues - but lots of the comments here are a good example of how your country's media and propaganda can significantly colour your opinions. What? 10% of a country leaving in one year tells you what Cubans think of Cuba. That's not propaganda, that's fact. On the contrary, it seems like you have some kind of preconceived notion of that life in Cuba is in fact not…
> but if that were true people would not leave would they? Not to dig into whataboutism but the same could really be said about the US's island possessions: https://www.civilbeat.org/2021/10/census-pacific-us-territor... Fact is populations will leave if they see chance at a better life elsewhere, even if they aren't living in an active warzone or under some some government the US doesn't like.
It's really not comparable.
Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023
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As the old joke from behind the Iron Curtain said... Q: "What would happen in Saudi Arabia if Communism triumphed there?" A: "First, shortage of oil, later, shortage of sand." Edit: for all the downvoters, shortages were our daily lived experience when I was a kid. I still remember chasing such rare stuff as "kid's sneakers" or "toilet paper". And Czechoslovakia was still better off than neighbouring Poland, where yo…
It's funny because Saudi Arabia's neighbour Yemen is the only gulf state that had a (Soviet-sponsored) socialist government, and maybe not entirely coincidentally is an order of magnitude poorer than the other gulf states, and has done a terrible job of tapping its oil resources.
Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023
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There seems to be a belief that if sanctions remain THIS YEAR, regime change will come to Cuba. It didn't work. Well, NEXT YEAR they will, they have to! Repeat for 50 years. Most people fleeing Cuba blame current regime for their suffering with good reason. So they have a desire to see it overthrown.
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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023
#97It's interesting reading the opinions in the comments on this thread. As a non-US person, I don't have a strong opinion on Cuba. I'd like to visit someday but don't know much about it other than the headlines. Reading the comments here it sounds like a pariah state on the level of North Korea. With 1m people leaving in a year, it clearly has its issues - but lots of the comments here are a good example of how your co…
The US has by far the world’s largest ex-Cuban population (well over 1M people). Those communities are a big part of what shapes US perceptions and policy toward Cuba.
Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023
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Politics. Florida used to be swing state in Presidential Elections. The Cuban community in Florida loses their shit if President talks about lifting the sanctions and will vote other way. If all Cubans had settled in California or Wyoming, we likely would have lifted sanctions a long time ago since they wouldn't have as much political power. It's why we lifted sanctions on Vietnam so long ago. Vietnamese who fled mos…
It almost seems the Cuban exiles want the people they left behind in Cuba to suffer as much as possible. What else have the sanctions achieved?
Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023
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> With 1m people leaving in a year, it clearly has its issues - but lots of the comments here are a good example of how your country's media and propaganda can significantly colour your opinions. What? 10% of a country leaving in one year tells you what Cubans think of Cuba. That's not propaganda, that's fact. On the contrary, it seems like you have some kind of preconceived notion of that life in Cuba is in fact not…
> but if that were true people would not leave would they? Not to dig into whataboutism but the same could really be said about the US's island possessions: https://www.civilbeat.org/2021/10/census-pacific-us-territor... Fact is populations will leave if they see chance at a better life elsewhere, even if they aren't living in an active warzone or under some some government the US doesn't like.
Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023
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I think that's really underselling the political persecution that many have suffered in Cuba. It's far and away from just wanting reparations for land grabs. We have sanctions on Cuba for the same reason we have sanctions on Russia and Venezuela now- we don't want to fund what their government is doing, and allying with them gives us little to nothing in return. That said, it's pretty obvious that economic sanctions…
It may not in the short or medium term cause regime change, but sufficiently large sanctions on a country do stop it from growing in influence, wealth and power. Eventually, after some number of generations, Cuba could be so poor in comparison to the rising tide of the rest of the world, that it's not even able to defend itself or maintain government control. At some point, the disparity in power becomes overwhelming…
Seems more likely sanctions would cause a steady state where the sanctioned country is some n months/years behind where it would otherwise be, speaking as a complete geopolitical layman anyway.