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Do Skis Get Blunt?

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Re: Do Skis Get Blunt?

#93
Former junior and Masters racer here. Glad to see there's some very qualified voices in these comments, including a few who are currently involved (as racing parents). I very much appreciate the level of technical detail and accuracy in those comments. I'll talk base bevels all day.

Pretty much agree with everything those folks have written. Most definitely sharp edges, and your bevels, matter when you are really pushing it, especially if you are racing, and most especially if you are on extremely hard or even water-injected snow.

Outside of that type of skiing, the ski tech on the lift was, I think, making a point that is true enough for most "normie" skiers, and inadvertently the blog author validated it with the microscope experiment. The short version is that once your edge angles are set, "polishing" them with a diamond stone should, generally, mostly, be all that is necessary to restore the edge shape after use. No filing should be necessary. If the edge get damaged with rocks or rust, this is no longer true. All caveats apply. The ski tech is just trying to say "don't pay a shop to run your skis through the machine when all you need is to rub your edges with a diamond stone for a minute."

Now, just how practical this is, again depends on who you are. You'd have to be:

- A regular enough skier to own your own equipment

- Good enough to benefit from a tuned edge

- Technical and handy enough to buy a diamond stone and learn to use it

- It has to not be impractical to go through this ritual after skiing (try doing this with two or three young, tired kids in tow)

Anyway I just enjoyed having this be on the front page of HN today. I'm good at like 2 things and this is one of them.

Re: Do Skis Get Blunt?

#95

It totally depends on the type of skier and the type of skis you have. I worked in the ski industry and thus lived and worked in ski towns for 15 years. If you are a ski racer, tuning edges matter. If you aggressively ride groomers all day, then they will matter. Riding big fat powder skis everyday, inside and outside of the resort? More or less doesn't matter. Are you a park rat that only ever skis the park? Those f…

Ski here in the northeast or midwest and on the ice we get? You're going to want sharp edges.

I grew up in Maine skiing at Sunday River but spent my entire childhood in the park never once cared about my edges. Had I been in the pipe, maybe a different story.

Re: Do Skis Get Blunt?

#96

So here's a silly question from someone who's never been near a...whatever you call a place where skiing is done. Skis have sharp edges? Why?

Because while snow is soft and fluffy when it first falls, after a few temperature changes and having been groomed and skied on for hours/days, it transforms from snow crystals to ice crystals. Unless new snow falls on top, that's what you're gonna be skiing on, and you'll slide all over the place without sharp edges.

Here is one of the best skiers in the world, on a race course set on a surface intentionally prepared to be solid ice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIHdHUg1FC4

Re: Do Skis Get Blunt?

#97
> Luckily, fixing this kind of damage isn’t hard. I use a 3D printed jig with a 500 grit diamond stone. A couple of glides down the edge is enough to completely clear this up.

I don't ski often enough to own my own skis, so I rent them. Having used those rentals in icy conditions, I've had a lousy time due to their shoddy edges. A tool like this would make my day(s) on the slopes so much better. Anybody know of a place I could buy something like this, so that I could bring the rentals into "serviceable" condition?

Re: Do Skis Get Blunt?

#99

I'm a ski race parent. I tune every couple of days on snow. My U12 boy skis on 0.5 degrees base bevel, three degrees side edge. Here he is on a firm course at his last race this year: https://youtu.be/RWYO2ib-qe8?si=CRH01ViFUFApSx_o Setting that up is difficult but it's pretty easy to maintain once it is there. Side cut.com has great advice and tools. If you are on groomers and ski on decent skis, not powder boards,…

I can tell you are very proud of your U12 boy and from that video, you should be. His fundamentals are rock solid. His fore-aft is good, his timing is excellent, he's clearly prepared for the course well in inspection. He's generally not reaching to cross-block, as evidenced by the strategic inside-clear at the top of the pitch. Really, really strong.

Re: Do Skis Get Blunt?

#100
post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah that is dialed like an F1 car and four degrees will shorten the life of the edge a bit. Some will do that much just under boot but go 3 at tip and tail. Another approach is to never debur and file every run. Saw that hack at a Fis GS race this year that was water injected by an over zealous course crew.

I’ve heard the lifespan thing before and never understood it. It’s still 86 degrees wide.

I guess it's because you cut away more initially so there's less edge to work with from that point forward.
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