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Inside a $1 radar motion sensor

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Re: Inside a $1 radar motion sensor

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Is the LD2410B sensing range limited by the PCB antenna?

I'm not sure, it always just made sense to me that the farther away someone is, the harder it'll be to detect their small movements.

Smallness detection depends on RF: higher frequency = shorter wavelength = more resolution for imaging.

Detection range without obstacles depends on transmit power and signal reception.

There are other models in the same family which might have more power/range.

Re: Inside a $1 radar motion sensor

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If your fine with zigbee, I could see having one of these aqara door sensors in the cushion of the seat, triggering to closed when you sit on it: https://cloudfree.shop/product/aqara-door-and-window-sensors... Seems like it'd be finicky though.

Zigbee is great, but my chair has a mesh :/ I'll see if I can print something below, so that the sensor is activated, but yes, it does seem that it would be pretty finicky...

Ceiling sensor is another option.

Re: Inside a $1 radar motion sensor

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Zigbee is great, but my chair has a mesh :/ I'll see if I can print something below, so that the sensor is activated, but yes, it does seem that it would be pretty finicky...

Ceiling sensor is another option.

For now I've put a mmWave sensor under my desk, which works fairly OK. It's not perfect, but definitely good enough.

Re: Inside a $1 radar motion sensor

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If your fine with zigbee, I could see having one of these aqara door sensors in the cushion of the seat, triggering to closed when you sit on it: https://cloudfree.shop/product/aqara-door-and-window-sensors... Seems like it'd be finicky though.

Zigbee is great, but my chair has a mesh :/ I'll see if I can print something below, so that the sensor is activated, but yes, it does seem that it would be pretty finicky...

You can buy the sensors they use in car seats for like $10 https://a.co/d/0dibAFxc

Re: Inside a $1 radar motion sensor

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You cannot try to rationalize the prices that China charges for goods. Everything is, more or less, state-owned and state-controlled. If the Chinese government wants to undercut an American product, they will tell the manufacturer to drop the price to X, and the manufacturer will comply. This also does not take into account Chinese currency manipulation. Profit or loss be damned.

Isn't the US basically the same? The US government gives massive subsidies, tax breaks or just has the military buy components for 10x the price (to offset commercial loses and R&D).

Not really. The American system of graft is more transparent. If there's a subsidy, there's a record of it. Tax breaks are public, tho there can be creative ways of couching them so they aren't obvious. Military expenditures are (with some very big exceptions) public record. And a US business under most circumstances can say "I'm not selling below cost".

None of this is really true of the Chinese system.

Re: Inside a $1 radar motion sensor

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I need to see a picture, but fyi some of components of an antenna are "electrically" disconnected, but still play a role, wave guides being one example. Also note, if you are just receiving signals you have more freedom to experiment. Antenna tuning matters a lot more when transmitting (especially at larger powers). (Not implying that it doesn't matter with reception)

Just to clarify - I changed transmitters antenna.

I'm pretty curious if you could sketch something up.

Sounds like you might have inadvertently created a wave guide.

If you are feeling adventurous you might want to try dropping your creation into an Antenna Simulation software like NEC or something similar.

https://www.xnec2c.org/

Re: Inside a $1 radar motion sensor

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Wrong, most of these radars are 24Ghz and specifically designed to detect body micro movements. They specifically give both human 'occupancy' and dynamic ranging information. I wrote low level drivers for the ESP32 for all the ones I could buy and have tested all of them. The only one that does not try to give a human occupancy position is the car speed sensor. The ld2450 can track three people at once. https://githu…

This sounds very interesting, how do your drivers work? I'd love to try them out, but there's no documentation. I've made a sensor board with various sensors, I could really use some occupancy detection improvements on the LD2450B.

here is the ld2450 multi object tracker: https://github.com/mianos/mqttradar It's pretty complete. There was some other guy who wanted an ld2450 tracker so I worked with him to get it going.

Re: Inside a $1 radar motion sensor

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Almost not related, but reminded me about recent RC hack I was working on. I have an driveway alarm from mighty mule, which uses 433Mhz radio powered by two AA batteries to communicate signal from the coil sensor detection sitting next to the driveway to the base station in the house using OOK modulation. The stock PCB antenna was not very good at the distance I had it to work with, so I started experimenting with ex…

A capacitance hat is a legit way to electrically lengthen an antenna.

I have had decent success with them when finetuning antennas for lower bands.

Re: Inside a $1 radar motion sensor

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This sounds very interesting, how do your drivers work? I'd love to try them out, but there's no documentation. I've made a sensor board with various sensors, I could really use some occupancy detection improvements on the LD2450B.

here is the ld2450 multi object tracker: https://github.com/mianos/mqttradar It's pretty complete. There was some other guy who wanted an ld2450 tracker so I worked with him to get it going.

This is very exciting, thanks!
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