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Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by dkbrk »

eigenvalue wrote: post #43

It's fascinating to me that a pure element would have such immediate and significant effects on the human mind. I would think that this would generally require a more complex molecular shape that can fit with various receptors in the body and trigger the release of dopamine and other neurotransmitters. Apparently, Xenon does this by acting as an antagonist of the N-methyl-D-aspartate (NMDA) receptor, a subtype of glu…

Even more relevantly, Nitrogen is an anaesthetic. Even, apparently, at the partial pressure found in air [0].

[0]: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1130736/

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by cannonpr »

I find a lot of these casual drug use articles to be a bit naive on safety. “It does not cause metabolites or react” well it obviously modifies several biochemical processes in order to have an effect, who knows what long term effects it has on your brains computation. Our understanding of the biochemical interactions of various systems is still exceedingly immature. It’s best to say that from a safety perspective it probably won’t kill you straight away… and it might not screw up your personality straight away.

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by ossobuco »

rabite wrote: post #88

I've done Xenon a fair number of times, it is definitely the Rolls Royce of inhalants. I'd recommend it to anyone as long as you can divert a little and aren't paying for it yourself. If you don't have unlimited amounts of money, it simply is not worth it. If you're looking for a great NMDA inhalant experience I'd recommend another classic 19th century anesthetic, diethyl ether. It is extremely simple to produce -- h…

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Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by dr_dshiv »

Tabular-Iceberg wrote: post #87
mschuster91 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why don’t recreational nitrous users mix in some oxygen like medical users do? Because they don't know better. It's not like we teach "safe consumption" in schools, and so most (particularly young) consumers of all possible kinds of drugs end up with cargo-culted consumption methods. Yes, Erowid etc. exist, but you need to know about that as well. The correct thing to do would be to have "drug ed" similar to sex ed…

I get that, but for these pop-up shops selling to partygoers out of large tanks it seems like very little extra effort and expense for a dramatically improved user experience. Market forces alone should be enough to incentivize adding oxygen.

Markets are not entirely efficient, or else there’d be no work to do

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by rabite »

ossobuco wrote: post #93
rabite wrote: post #88

I've done Xenon a fair number of times, it is definitely the Rolls Royce of inhalants. I'd recommend it to anyone as long as you can divert a little and aren't paying for it yourself. If you don't have unlimited amounts of money, it simply is not worth it. If you're looking for a great NMDA inhalant experience I'd recommend another classic 19th century anesthetic, diethyl ether. It is extremely simple to produce -- h…

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> Bandera and his nazis

Bandera was fighting against the Nazis by the end of the war. At any given time, he was doing what was prudent for his country and getting resources to fight the Cheka, because the Soviets were disappearing Ukrainians in the middle of the night and sending them to gulags.

Appreciating Ukrainian cultural traditions is not political. "Slava Ukraini" should not be a political or offensive phrase, unless you are a genocidal maniac supporting Putin's mass murder.

> a liberal attitude like yours.

Lemkos then and now generally had a pretty high opinion of Bandera (they were forcibly resettled by the Soviets). Doing ether is not a particular indicator of a liberal attitude -- it is a traditional practice in Lemko society, and it was so during the time Bandera was alive. Ether is fun and enjoyable, and I like it better than alcohol. I don't think it changes your political designation. It is maybe a Calvinist/Puritan attitude to see the consumption of ether or alcohol as associated with political liberalism, are you perchance of American Protestant stock? This attitude is extremely alien to me.

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by dr_dshiv »

alan-hn wrote: post #44
digging wrote: post #41

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It depends on your definition of psychedelic then, as I find different sources supporting either argument, but NO2 produces powerful hallucinations, euphoria, dissociation, and sometimes creativity much like typical psychedelics, but on a compressed timescale.

Many people also consider ketamine a psychedelic and the primary mechanism of action is NMDA antagonism preferring the NR2B subunit

I’ve heard that Ketamine is a psychedelic deepener more than a psychedelic on its own. Ie, a little ket addition is similar to taking a much higher dose of psychedelics (but short duration): high definition mental imagery and expanded external visual effects. With a good set & setting, that combo nearly guarantees a mystical experience.

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by ossobuco »

rabite wrote: post #95
ossobuco wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> Bandera and his nazis Bandera was fighting against the Nazis by the end of the war. At any given time, he was doing what was prudent for his country and getting resources to fight the Cheka, because the Soviets were disappearing Ukrainians in the middle of the night and sending them to gulags. Appreciating Ukrainian cultural traditions is not political. "Slava Ukraini" should not be a political or offensive phrase,…

> "Slava Ukraini" should not be a political or offensive phrase, unless you are a genocidal maniac supporting Putin's mass murder.

Ask the poles what do they think of it. Are they all "genocidal maniacs supporting Putin's mass murder"?

Bandera and his OUN carried out massacres and ethnic cleansing of a hundred thousand Poles, plus we don't know how many Jews. It was the slogan of the OUN so yes it is a highly offensive phrase especially if you are Pole or Jew.

I couldn't care less if modern Ukraine adopted it as a national slogan. If Germany decided to adopt "Sieg Heil" as a national slogan, that would still make think of Hitler every time I hear it even though Germany is now a democracy.

> Lemkos then and now generally had a pretty high opinion of Bandera

Some Germans still have a pretty high opinion of Hitler, some Italians of Mussolini. That doesn't make up for their crimes.

> > a liberal attitude like yours.

You happily partake in Xenon, ether and what not, I generally call this behavior that of a junkie, liberal was my way of being polite.

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by rabite »

ossobuco wrote: post #97
rabite wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Bandera and his nazis Bandera was fighting against the Nazis by the end of the war. At any given time, he was doing what was prudent for his country and getting resources to fight the Cheka, because the Soviets were disappearing Ukrainians in the middle of the night and sending them to gulags. Appreciating Ukrainian cultural traditions is not political. "Slava Ukraini" should not be a political or offensive phrase,…

> "Slava Ukraini" should not be a political or offensive phrase, unless you are a genocidal maniac supporting Putin's mass murder. Ask the poles what do they think of it. Are they all "genocidal maniacs supporting Putin's mass murder"? Bandera and his OUN carried out massacres and ethnic cleansing of a hundred thousand Poles, plus we don't know how many Jews. It was the slogan of the OUN so yes it is a highly offensi…

The phrase "Slava Ukraini" predates the OUN by actual decades. There are plenty of people in Ukraine, particularly East Ukraine, that have personal objections to the mythos of Bandera as a national hero that still use the phrase, as it was coined in the Ukrainian War of Independence. Comparing it to "Sieg Heil" is utterly disingenuous. Regardless, your summary of Bandera and the OUN is delusionally ethnocentric and clearly biased against Ukraine.

> I generally call this behavior that of a junkie

and most people that voted in favor of prohibition would say that everyone that drinks alcohol must be a public drunkard, I guess. Usage of ether is a tradition on par with drinking in at least one part of the world. It is a little more dangerous, given ether's excessive flammability and low flash point, but inhaling some ether does not make anyone a junkie. America doesn't have a tradition of ether at all, and it is the only country where there are shambling masses of xylazine/fentanyl zombies defecating in the streets. Maybe you could all use a little more traditional ether consumption.

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by alan-hn »

dr_dshiv wrote: post #96
alan-hn wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many people also consider ketamine a psychedelic and the primary mechanism of action is NMDA antagonism preferring the NR2B subunit

I’ve heard that Ketamine is a psychedelic deepener more than a psychedelic on its own. Ie, a little ket addition is similar to taking a much higher dose of psychedelics (but short duration): high definition mental imagery and expanded external visual effects. With a good set & setting, that combo nearly guarantees a mystical experience.

A compound that can deepen a psychedelic experience can also be a psychedelic on its own. There are people who like to smoke DMT during the peak of an LSD experience because of this deepening but both are capable of producing mystical experience on their own, just as ketamine (especially the S isomer) is capable of

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by ossobuco »

rabite wrote: post #98
ossobuco wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "Slava Ukraini" should not be a political or offensive phrase, unless you are a genocidal maniac supporting Putin's mass murder. Ask the poles what do they think of it. Are they all "genocidal maniacs supporting Putin's mass murder"? Bandera and his OUN carried out massacres and ethnic cleansing of a hundred thousand Poles, plus we don't know how many Jews. It was the slogan of the OUN so yes it is a highly offensi…

The phrase "Slava Ukraini" predates the OUN by actual decades. There are plenty of people in Ukraine, particularly East Ukraine, that have personal objections to the mythos of Bandera as a national hero that still use the phrase, as it was coined in the Ukrainian War of Independence. Comparing it to "Sieg Heil" is utterly disingenuous. Regardless, your summary of Bandera and the OUN is delusionally ethnocentric and c…

> The phrase "Slava Ukraini" predates the OUN by actual decades

> Comparing it to "Sieg Heil" is utterly disingenuous.

LOL I'll introduce you to the fact that Sieg Heil originated in Germany around the 1900, way before the nazis got the power. The roman salute was used by the Roman empire, the earliest known use of the swastika dates the 4th centure BCE. Yet none of this symbols/gestures are accepted today, because the nazis spoiled them for everyone.

> Regardless, your summary of Bandera and the OUN is selfish and ethnocentric.

Nice hand-wavy way to dismiss hundreds of thousands of murders.

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