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Julian Assange has reached a plea deal with the U.S., allowing him to go free

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Re: Julian Assange has reached a plea deal with the U.S., allowing him to go free

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"Conventional wisdom" is just wrong. "The US" isn't a monolithic entity; the Obama administration explicitly refused to charge him, and he wasn't charged until the Trump administration. The Trump administration tried to strike a deal way back when, which was ruined by Assange doing the Vault 7 leaks in the middle of that, after which they were fuck you and all. There's a lot of inertia to these things after the ball gets rolling.

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There was a mood change in Australia, with all sides of politics wanting Assange's case to be closed [1]. Consequently in the last 12 months there has been pressure from Australia, on its "five eyes" US and UK partners, to close the case.

[1] https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/albanese-expresses-f...

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They don't. Generally: lower court decisions don't create binding precedent. Further: Assange wasn't simply charged with "receiving and publishing classified information"; he was charged with being instrumental in that information being exfiltrated in the first place.

"Generally" is one of those somewhat troubling terms on a case that has severe First Amendment implications, but that's good to know. >Further: Assange wasn't simply charged with "receiving and publishing classified information"; he was charged with being instrumental in that information being exfiltrated in the first place. Those charges were (presumably) dropped as part of the plea, and his plea did not mention the…

News reports indicate a single alleged offence per 18 U.S. Code § 793 (g)[1] for conspiring with at least one other person in the conduct of an offence described in (a) through (f).

By way of comparison, the former US president who is also in current poll results more likely than not to be elected as the next US president is presently alleged to have conducted 40 of these 18 U.S. Code § 793 offences.

[1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_prosecution_of_Donald_...

Re: Julian Assange has reached a plea deal with the U.S., allowing him to go free

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He better be careful in Australia being a whistleblower. https://apnews.com/article/mcbride-whistleblower-court-priso...

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Maybe don't classify evidence of war crimes?

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How do plea deals work for precedent? As despite the constant claim that he was only being charged for assisting in hacking US computers, the plea deal is over violations of the Espionage Act specifically about receiving and publishing classified documents. Or basically his acts as a journalist. Can this be used to indict other journalists who receive and publish classified information? As if so, this feels like a hu…

Journalists generally avoid asking for classified information. The belief is that (in the US) a journalist that passively receives classified information & publishes it isn't committing a crime due to the First Amendment. The actual crime itself was committed by the person leaking the information. Julian Assange actively solicited leaks of information. That's where the espionage claim comes from. There's not much pre…

>belief is that (in the US) a journalist that passively receives classified information & publishes it isn't committing a crime due to the First Amendment. The actual crime itself was committed by the person leaking the information.

Even if you think Assange did more than this, this plea deal is very clearly over passively receiving classified information.

The precedent information is good to hear, thank you.

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Most of that time was spend escaping the Swedish arrest warrant.

By narrow definitions of escape. He was essentially under house arrest, unable to leave the Ecuador embassy for years.

Or he could have just faced up to the charges... That house arrest was entirely self-imposed for the first five years or so.

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How do plea deals work for precedent? As despite the constant claim that he was only being charged for assisting in hacking US computers, the plea deal is over violations of the Espionage Act specifically about receiving and publishing classified documents. Or basically his acts as a journalist. Can this be used to indict other journalists who receive and publish classified information? As if so, this feels like a hu…

Journalists generally avoid asking for classified information. The belief is that (in the US) a journalist that passively receives classified information & publishes it isn't committing a crime due to the First Amendment. The actual crime itself was committed by the person leaking the information. Julian Assange actively solicited leaks of information. That's where the espionage claim comes from. There's not much pre…

>Julian Assange actively solicited leaks of information.

This phrasing makes it sound like Assange asked "Do you have this?" when the accusations have always been closer to "Can you get me this? Here is how you could go about doing that." That takes it out of the realm of journalism in at least the legal sense.

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There was a mood change in Australia, with all sides of politics wanting Assange's case to be closed [1]. Consequently in the last 12 months there has been pressure from Australia, on its "five eyes" US and UK partners, to close the case. [1] https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/albanese-expresses-f...

I'm not sure that the US gives too many fucks about Australian public opinion, or what Albanese says. I think it has more to do with US politics and the upcoming election.

But whatever, I'm glad he's free and is not being extradited to whatever hellhole the US had planned for him. I hope he's able to get a beer and a swim and put his life back together.

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