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Re: TinyLetter shut down by Mailchimp, so I built the letterdrop

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Post by pwillia7 »

newaccount74 wrote: post #35
Tomte wrote: post #26

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No, just the question whether machines can hold copyright is decisively shut and closed, until the laws are changed. Many other questions are debated. Always fun to see the „AI is special, no rules apply“ crowd.

> the question whether machines can hold copyright is decisively shut and closed That's just a small part of the question. Some of the questions we still need answers for are: 1) If ChatGPT produces an answer that is very similar to something it was trained on, can you use that answer? Or do you need a license from the original author? If you do need a license, how do you figure out if an answer is close enough to so…

If you think too hard about it it becomes pretty clear AI just breaks the already tenuous justifications for copyright.

Re: TinyLetter shut down by Mailchimp, so I built the letterdrop

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Post by rmbyrro »

8organicbits wrote: post #79
rmbyrro wrote: post #68

> Even I use the GPT model to generate the code, I still need to review the code and test it. This should be the first paragraph in the README. It's not responsible to release something like this in the first place, let alone without a big red warning sign in front of it.

I'm not a fan of AI slop, but if you're using code from GitHub, the burden has always been on you to make sure it's suitable. The MIT license provides no warranty. There has always been low quality code on GitHub, the bar to publish is low.

I agree with everything you said. Being aware of that is why I read everything.

One can license without legal warranty and still do it responsibly. If they don't, others will judge as irresponsible. This is more of a social contract than a licensing one.

Re: TinyLetter shut down by Mailchimp, so I built the letterdrop

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Post by jerrygoyal »

rc_mob wrote: post #78
dewey wrote: post #53

For me https://buttondown.email is the equivalent for TinyLetter before it got acquired by Mailchimp. It's a honest small business and the founder also has an interesting blog: https://buttondown.email/blog

looks nice, but uhm price is pretty much the same as brevo

looking at the pricing, brevo is way cheaper

Re: TinyLetter shut down by Mailchimp, so I built the letterdrop

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Post by thih9 »

intelVISA wrote: post #74
7bit wrote: post #65

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Every project that says it's "secure" is already a complete joke in itself. The multi billion companies who say that about themselves, can't even uphold that statement despite their infinite resources. "Secure" isn't a property that anyone can claim, it's a property that only can be attributed looking back in time.

Secure and fast (tm) (400mb Python script with supply chain CVEs) Welcome to software postmodernism.

But this works for everyone.

Then at some point you have to prevent the users from harming themselves - and devices get locked in walled gardens; and that arguably works for everyone too.

There are exceptions, kudos to the EU for working to protect user rights. This software postmodernism will go only as far as we allow it.

Re: TinyLetter shut down by Mailchimp, so I built the letterdrop

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Post by sumsome »

lupire wrote: post #80
sumsome wrote: post #77

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> The LLM didn't create this program on its own. And wouldn't have finished on its own. Sometimes even other models or chats with more fine tuned context just don't spot the mistakes within n iterations. The human needs to, quite annoyed I must say, take a closer look herself. "What did you LLM do and how does it work?" Then you specify what must be done or do it yourself because you can't remember the term which wou…

What is "your LLM"? Did you create it? Buy it?

Well, I am paying for it, the subscription and or the API calls. And the chat is the service I and other users, including B2B, paid for. Dev and server costs are covered by that, theoretically and practically, because investors get what they paid for as well.

The LLM is instructed by my prompts. I'm giving the directions. At some points, the LLM will dynamically update the weights based on my input, it's knowledge being all that is in the higher public domain, published human knowledge. My communication is being collected to my own, and others, future advantage, which would not be possible if we didn't use the LLM. The devs can't make it much further without the user. The devs couldn't make it anywhere without the training data. 'My LLM' is the current chat window, whatevers' coming out of it, I am responsible for that, not the company who created it, and if I am responsible, I have to own it, just like I own the things 'my child' creates until that child is ready to own it's responsibility itself.

Re: TinyLetter shut down by Mailchimp, so I built the letterdrop

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Post by [deleted] »

pwillia7 wrote: post #89
immibis wrote: post #69

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The law disagrees.

It would just depend on what the license for the LLM tool (if any) you're using is I think, right? There are no laws about AI generation and copyright yet that I know about. If what you're suggesting is true then does Microsoft word own everyone's novels and are the originator of patents for the last 20 years? Surely government will do a better job than DMCA even though they're more corrupt and captured now /s

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Re: TinyLetter shut down by Mailchimp, so I built the letterdrop

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Post by ChicagoDave »

pwillia7 wrote: post #90
ChicagoDave wrote: post #45

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He said ChatGPT so LLM created. “Fair use” may be the current legal defense, but who knows if or what Congress will do. The lobbying power is definitely in the LLM owners and not copyright holders or creatives. But there’s a non-zero chance LLMs won’t face a class action lawsuit.

What about open source LLM?

Can open source software use copyright material without permission?

Any copyright holder that can prove their material is a part of the training data could have the model taken down.

But again this will all hinge on the court’s definition of “fair use”.

Re: TinyLetter shut down by Mailchimp, so I built the letterdrop

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Post by gavmor »

Closi wrote: post #52
gavmor wrote: post #27

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Wow, CSS in a style tag in a string in try block in an anonymous function all declared right there in index.ts—no units, to say nothing of tests! Would be a huge nuisance to maintain.

Huge nuisance to manually maintain, but the suggestion is that you maintain it with an LLM. Is the code bad? Sure. Could I build this in 10 hours without an LLM having no experience with cloudflare workers and typescript? Probably not. Could I build this in 10 hours with an LLM? Probably.

Look, maybe I'm naive but the "technical debt" this approach generates is appalling. Someone's going to have to shave that yak or you'll trip over it on your way to market.

Whatever happened to "write code like it'll be maintained by an axe murderer?"[0]

0. https://wiki.c2.com/?CodeForTheMaintainer

Re: TinyLetter shut down by Mailchimp, so I built the letterdrop

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Post by Closi »

gavmor wrote: post #99
Closi wrote: post #52

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Huge nuisance to manually maintain, but the suggestion is that you maintain it with an LLM. Is the code bad? Sure. Could I build this in 10 hours without an LLM having no experience with cloudflare workers and typescript? Probably not. Could I build this in 10 hours with an LLM? Probably.

Look, maybe I'm naive but the "technical debt" this approach generates is appalling. Someone's going to have to shave that yak or you'll trip over it on your way to market. Whatever happened to "write code like it'll be maintained by an axe murderer?"[0] 0. https://wiki.c2.com/?CodeForTheMaintainer

What if the maintainer is assumed to be an LLM?
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