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Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Post by montagg »

lm28469 wrote: post #86
spideymans wrote: post #30

Over the years, overregulation will continue to lock the EU out of bleeding-edge technologies. Every feature, every website, every innovation that doesn’t launch in the EU further plunges the bloc into technological irrelevance.

Is there anything else to life than bleeding-edge technologies ? A truly mind shattering question for the average code monkey

I think the EU’s regulations are boneheaded, but I appreciate that there are multiple ways we’re seeing societies deal with the ambiguities of technology, and we can see how it plays out. Different strokes.

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Post by AlanYx »

nope1000 wrote: post #29
selectodude wrote: post #11

The regulations around AI in the European Union are not well formed. The EU has shown that they will regulate things years later and impose massive fines and business costs. The EU also happens to be Apple’s least profitable market, and one that isn’t going to be growing over the next two decades. There’s just no reason to get involved over there. It’s not worth the risk.

They do not cite the AI act (which they probably comply with) as a reason but rather the Digital Markets Act

The most onerous parts of the AI Act, such as the provision that says "Member States shall confer on their market surveillance authorities the powers of... carrying out unannounced remote or on-site inspections", are not yet in force yet.

I wouldn't blame them for having security/IP concerns with allowing unannounced remote or on-site inspections to their facilities.

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Post by bbor »

evbogue wrote: post #46
jdminhbg wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apart from the “security concerns” of allowing use of non Apple services I would think that if the EU requires Apple to allow third parties to use the new screen sharing APIs with the same privileges, that would be a security concern.

I kind of figure if I'm sharing a constant stream of screenshots of my screen with one company why not share them with every company? Might as well send it to the hackers too, I guess. This way I can have more AIs analyzing my screen.

I don’t know if you’re joking but this is actually an amazing example of a very real organizational challenge: people get tired of dealing with edge cases, so they give up all together. I absolutely 100% trust Apple to do what it thinks is best for profits, and I don’t see any way that eroding/risking their privacy stance would pay off. Not to say “I don’t have anything to hide”, but I definitely don’t have any profitable to hide!

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Post by Alupis »

groestl wrote: post #36
Alupis wrote: post #16

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> The spite wars continue There are consequences to regulations/legislation. You can't have it both ways. News at 11... The privacy concerns are real, and EU regulations have teeth. No matter how iron-clad Apple's agreement is with OpenAI, it's still a significant liability since data protection and the rest that comes with this tech is outside of Apple's control. So now EU citizens don't get to play with this new fe…

> and EU regulations have teeth As someone who has been involved in this journey from the beginning, essentially starting from a point akin to "fuck the EU, they're laughably ignorable" it's really interesting to read this sentence. We can work with that.

> essentially starting from a point akin to "fuck the EU, they're laughably ignorable" it's really interesting to read this sentence

If you don't have a physical presence within the EU, you can and probably should ignore their laws/regulations. There's very little if anything they can do to you. This includes GDPR and other "viral" laws. EU citizens seem to believe their laws apply around the world - they do not.

If you have a physical presence within the EU, like Apple does, then you cannot afford to be flippant with EU laws and regulations. They have real teeth, as you would expect for any country you have a physical presence in. Just as Apple cannot ignore US law since they are based here, they cannot ignore EU law since they are also based there.

EU regulations have consequences - both good and bad. If Apple cannot guarantee compliance with EU regulations/laws, then they will have to remove or limit features that might get them into trouble.

If EU citizens want this feature, then the regulations would need to change. It cannot be more simple than this.

A lot of people enjoy eating the cake these days...

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Post by al_borland »

vletal wrote: post #53

I do not get it. If they are really into "private cloud", "your data belongs to you", ... They should be compliant out of the box. This decreases my trust in Apple.

Looking at the DMA, it’s not about security. It’s about opening things up so big tech can’t benefit from their position.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Markets_Act

I think a company not being allowed to add features for their customers is a bit silly.

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Post by isodev »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #88
isodev wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple throwing a tantrum like this doesn’t seem like a winning strategy. It’s a giant finger for devs and consumers in Europe.

>It’s a giant finger for devs and consumers in Europe. If EU would have a VC sector anywhere near the US or even Chinese ones, this is actually the perfect time and market opportunity for a local EU competitor to come out and launch a privacy focused smartphone that's compliant with local market regulations and also includes the AI features that Apple refuses to release out of spite. Apple only does shit like this be…

I will be more than happy to get additional alternatives. Apple is big here, but not as dominant as it is in the US. It won’t be a big deal for folks to skip an upgrade cycle or turn to Samsung, Fairphone and others.

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Post by spideymans »

armada651 wrote: post #74
spideymans wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Productivity is ultimately the measure of the efficiency of human labor. The more productive workers are, the more free time they’ll have to do whatever it is they want to do to make themselves happy. In the short term, lagging productivity can be masked by debt spending and other measures, but in the long run, the only thing that increases human wealth and material abundance is labor productivity. Everything else is…

> Productivity is ultimately the measure of the efficiency of human labor. The more productive workers are, the more free time they’ll have to do whatever it is they want to do to make themselves happy. Due to the demands for constant economic growth increased productivity does not actually result in more free time, just more economic output.

The average human throughout human has existed at subsistence level. That means that nearly all of their time was spent producing/collecting the food to feed themselves.

The average American now spends just 10% of their wages on food. That effectively means, just 10% of Americans’s working life dedicated to food cultivation. That’s the result of economic productivity.

If an American is happy existing at a subsistence level, they’re free to slash their working hours to a tiny fraction of the average person. However, humans have unlimited material desires, which tends to keep us working.

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Post by al_borland »

spideymans wrote: post #37
tahoeskibum wrote: post #9

There is an old saying: US innovates, China replicates and EU regulates.

EU will regulate themselves straight out of economic productivity.

My company has been trying to tell my team to be “global” and support the EU for a good 10 years. Every time we even look it’s such a mess that we kick the can down the road and let the people who actually live there deal with it. Their footprint it vastly smaller than what we have in the US, yet seemingly much harder to manage due to all the regulations.

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Post by lm28469 »

montagg wrote: post #90
lm28469 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah and we regulate ourself straight into liveable working conditions, public healthcare, paid vacations, parental leaves and all other kinds of really really nasty communist nightmares

Not a bad tradeoff imo. But it is a tradeoff.

Of course, that's what politics are for: making societal decisions, some are good for businesses, some are good for people

btw the iphone has ±30% of the EU market, in the US they're closer to 60%. Mac represents ±7% of computer sales in Europe, ±15% in the US

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