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FAA investigating how counterfeit titanium got into Boeing and Airbus jets

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Re: FAA investigating how counterfeit titanium got into Boeing and Airbus jets

#91

> Spirit Aerosystems, based in Wichita, Kansas, which raised the alarm on the titanium issue Heh, they're the good guys in this story apparently.

For anyone reading this, Spirit Aerosystems is -not- Spirit Airlines. Different company, they manufacture aircraft parts for Boeing, Airbus, etc.

Re: FAA investigating how counterfeit titanium got into Boeing and Airbus jets

#93

> Spirit Aerosystems, based in Wichita, Kansas, which raised the alarm on the titanium issue Heh, they're the good guys in this story apparently.

For anyone reading this, Spirit Aerosystems is -not- Spirit Airlines. Different company, they manufacture aircraft parts for Boeing, Airbus, etc.

And install door plugs (or not, as the case may be)

Re: FAA investigating how counterfeit titanium got into Boeing and Airbus jets

#94
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oddly enough, this one seems to pass at least some testing even despite the phony documentation. This seems to be about this titan: «Boeing and Airbus both said their tests of affected materials so far had shown no signs of problems.» I read this as implying that Airbus has been buying other things from the same source and done its own tests on samples: «“Numerous tests have been performed on parts coming from the sa…

You can't really test. The tests you can do don't actually tell you what you really need to know. You can't prove the material is good, you can only trust that the material is good, and 50 years later observe how it held up. You can't find out the distribution of the alloy ingredients, or detect voids, or crystal structures, or traces of other elements, except by sawing the part in half and looking at the cut surface…

Reminds me of when a favorite restaurant is bought and changes just enough to not be a favorite anymore, despite seemingly having the same menu. That feels like a similar analogy. Engineering has important details in the subtlety.

Re: FAA investigating how counterfeit titanium got into Boeing and Airbus jets

#95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For anyone reading this, Spirit Aerosystems is -not- Spirit Airlines. Different company, they manufacture aircraft parts for Boeing, Airbus, etc.

And install door plugs (or not, as the case may be)

Hey now, that was done by Boeing

Re: FAA investigating how counterfeit titanium got into Boeing and Airbus jets

#96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the point. The parent is blaming quality control steps of outsourced materials at Boeing (not third party). "Outsourcing = bad" is missing the point.

Other countries in some cases seem to have much less enforcement of anti fraud. In the US if a company is knowingly selling fraudulent material, I’m guessing they can get in legal trouble for fraud? Does that happen in e.g. China?

If it does, it does. If it doesn't, it doesn't.

How is your question relevant?

Re: FAA investigating how counterfeit titanium got into Boeing and Airbus jets

#98

Perhaps they came from a certain Republic of Crimea? I've glanced the article but didn't figure out the source.

Another article said it was sourced from the Chinese. This detail was suspiciously deleted from this one.

Re: FAA investigating how counterfeit titanium got into Boeing and Airbus jets

#99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And install door plugs (or not, as the case may be)

Hey now, that was done by Boeing

According to most reporting, Spirit removed, then failed to re-install the door. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/boeing-loose-bolts-alaska-airli...
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