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At the US international border, no, even US citizens can’t prevent the phone search regardless of whether or not they consent. They can however usually decline to give a PIN, passcode, or password or to assist in unlocking the phone by entering such a credential, and they can’t be refused entry to the US. However, CBP can then temporarily seize the phone to perform a more comprehensive attempt at searching it. Gettin…
While I was born after 9/11, I'm think I've heard that these unprecedented powers were given to CBP (and other border agencies around the world) after that event. Most people crossing any border face little friction like this, but when you dig in and see what border agents are allowed to do, it gets a bit unnerving. Especially so for the US, the self-proclaimed land of the free. Consider this - the CBP is granted wid…
I don't think this is as much of a "gotcha" it seems to be. People have all kinds of theoretical beliefs that they routinely violate in practice. It's just part of being human.
The way things like this are supposed to work in the real messy human world is that we encode these "freedoms"/rights into a constitution. We then have a judicial branch that protects these rights, irrespective of individual human inconsistency/hypocrisy. For border searches we have the relevant rights in the US constitution already. The problem is that the judicial branch has incorrectly ruled that protections like the 4th amendment don't apply at the border.
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I'm an Australian citizen. Almost all my friends are Australian citizens. What fucking "lived experience" are you waffling on like a pork chop about?
If you're happy, I'm happy. The Australians I met stuck abroad at the time were... not. You might also look upthread. Maybe their opinions don't count or something.
I'll just add a couple of details here since I have had this happen to me multiple times... I'm an Australian citizen and this applies just as much to me as a foreigner (for whom although I disagree about, I could make a reasonable argument for this being valid). Police require a warrant and/or reasonable suspicion of having committed a specific crime to search any part of you or your belongings. Border Force do not…
What would you say to people claiming that Australia is falling into authoritarianism?
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Ah shit, comments like these and the videos from Boy Boy and Friendly Jordies makes me want to avoid traveling to Australia when I see how easily law enforcement there just violates people's rights using some legal loophole.
In my case, wandering male Sydney Funnel-web Spiders make me want to avoid Australia
Story time: when I worked at Google we had a specific policy for traveling to and from China. IIRC it went something like this: 1. You absolutely aren't allowed to take your regular phone and laptop; 2. You will be given loaner devices to take into China; 3. If you're asked to open such devices on entry, comply and then, when you can, inform IT; 4. Once you got back, I'm not sure what happened to those devices. I bel…
That's exactly like the travel advisories to the US for EU firms. If it bothers you this much, why this Don Quixote act, why not do something about it where you actually can? Otherwise it's just bashing the Chinese for internet happy points. Just like reddit.
Not every criticism of China is xenophobia.
At Heathrow airport I was offered the option of switching my laptop on to show them it worked, plus a full body x-ray, or "the other option" (man waves a pair of gloves insinuating a full body cavity search). So, you can see what (mostly) everyone would choose there. The only bonus was that security man managed to walk me around the 2-hour long security line.
I was manually searched on my last trip because I refused to go through the millimeter wave scanner.
I'll just add a couple of details here since I have had this happen to me multiple times... I'm an Australian citizen and this applies just as much to me as a foreigner (for whom although I disagree about, I could make a reasonable argument for this being valid). Police require a warrant and/or reasonable suspicion of having committed a specific crime to search any part of you or your belongings. Border Force do not…
What would you say to people claiming that Australia is falling into authoritarianism?
When an MP, called Julie Bishop, had her bags searched, she used her power to get those involved sacked.
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Can't they determine this based on the x-ray scan alone? I mean, what's the other option - would they arrest a person carrying non-working/for-parts hardware?
>Can't they determine this based on the x-ray scan alone? Not a bomb expert, but a laptop is just a bunch of electronics next to a solid mass (for the battery). A bomb is also just a bunch electronics next to a solid mass (for the explosive). >I mean, what's the other option - would they arrest a person carrying non-working/for-parts hardware? I doubt they'll arrest you, but I vaguely remember airline websites saying…
At Heathrow airport I was offered the option of switching my laptop on to show them it worked, plus a full body x-ray, or "the other option" (man waves a pair of gloves insinuating a full body cavity search). So, you can see what (mostly) everyone would choose there. The only bonus was that security man managed to walk me around the 2-hour long security line.
I don't think proving the laptop turns on is an unreasonable request. You just have to show them a log-in screen to prove it isn't a bomb.