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I'm forking Ladybird and stepping down as SerenityOS BDFL

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Re: I'm forking Ladybird and stepping down as SerenityOS BDFL

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Post by Apocryphon »

doublerabbit wrote: post #87
awesomekling wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It should be fairly straightforward to get it running on any mainstream *nix system. I only called out macOS and Linux specifically because we have developers actively using those systems day-to-day. :)

I know my comment comes out negative. Shameful wasn't the right word. It's disappointing that there is no target for *BSD. I'm very respectful for you to attempt such a project. In no way am I dismissing your work but I see more and more projects becoming very mono orientated where it becomes a struggle for other OS's to adopt.

Why FreeBSD and not one of the other BSDs?

Re: I'm forking Ladybird and stepping down as SerenityOS BDFL

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Post by rjh29 »

trustno2 wrote: post #28

I tried Ladybird browser for fun, and it looks more stable than when I ran it for the last time, which is great! It doesn't properly load the given substack (it seems to stop loading it in the middle), but it looks fine. :) Surprisingly, loading Google Maps even work, but I can't seem to do more than move the map around. Github even works! So far it seems better than Servo in throwing random sites at it, but I last t…

> Github even works!

Unsurprisingly github is one of the developer's most frequently used sites when dogfooding the browser so it'll probably always work :)

Re: I'm forking Ladybird and stepping down as SerenityOS BDFL

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Post by rafram »

ZiiS wrote: post #78
rascul wrote: post #70

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> Would be nice to see a browser option that is not 20+ years old. Chrome is less than 20 years old.

KHTML+KJS released in 1998, via WebKit from 2001, in 2008 it gained the Chrome name, but the code has more than 20 years of legacy.

There’s very little WebKit / KHTML code left in Chrome.

Re: I'm forking Ladybird and stepping down as SerenityOS BDFL

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Post by boxed »

prox wrote: post #29
HeckFeck wrote: post #25

I fully respect these reasons, they are logical and well said. But hopefully interest in SerenityOS doesn't taper off due to this. Kling was great at garnering interest with his YouTube videos where he'd go deep into bug fixing and feature development. Certainly, the browser has the most potential and even immediate necessity for the sake of the open Web, but I would still like to daily drive SerenityOS some day. Its…

Oh yes, a MacOS like design but open with Unix, that would be amazing!

macOS is unix...

And he seems to not want macOS type design. Unless you mean System 8/9.

Re: I'm forking Ladybird and stepping down as SerenityOS BDFL

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Post by bachmeier »

The_Colonel wrote: post #22
1GZ0 wrote: post #17

Ladybird has garnered a level of mainstream attention that SerenityOS never really managed to. The browser has the potential to impact many more people, and the project is well funded by large investors. It makes sense that Andreas would shift his focus to LadyBird at this point. While Safari is busy being Safari and Firefox is busy eating glue in the corner, I'd love to see LadyBird become a real contender in the br…

I agree (apart from the popular hate on Firefox). Ladybird is promising and has a much bigger chance to make an impact than SerenityOS. But it's a bit disappointing to see that it's still pretty much a one-man project. Especially to have a chance to get close to the performance of Chrome and Firefox, it will need a large investment. The amount of engineering resources poured into just making JavaScript fast is mind-n…

> The amount of engineering resources poured into just making JavaScript fast is mind-numbing. But even "just" providing a light, mostly standards-compliant browser with a sorta-good-enough performance would be great.

We're long past the time that we should be using one type of app for text plus a bit of Javascript and another for running apps that are hosted on a remote server. I would definitely use a fast, lightweight, privacy-oriented browser for sites like HN or viewing local HTML files.

Re: I'm forking Ladybird and stepping down as SerenityOS BDFL

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Post by rafram »

doublerabbit wrote: post #69
suby wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The audacity to call this shameful is striking to me. If you feel strongly enough that this free, open source, extremely limited resource project (working on one of the largest problem spaces..) doesn't support FreeBSD, port it yourself instead of casting shame on others for not doing it. Hopefully your comment is more lighthearted than I'm giving it credit for.

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FreeBSD once peaked at a 0.01% desktop market share.

https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide...

Re: I'm forking Ladybird and stepping down as SerenityOS BDFL

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Post by doublerabbit »

rafram wrote: post #96
doublerabbit wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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FreeBSD once peaked at a 0.01% desktop market share. https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide...

So? You should still develop for.

Why? For this whole reason. What does it matter? You should target all audiences.

Why not?

Re: I'm forking Ladybird and stepping down as SerenityOS BDFL

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Post by robryan »

frankjr wrote: post #81

What's the plan for Jakt, the programming language? Does it fall under the SerenityOS umbrella? Will LadyBird continue to use C++? The blog post doesn't mention it. https://github.com/SerenityOS/jakt

It has come up from time to time. From the perspective of LadyBird it is an experiment that ran its course and LadyBird will likely just be c++.

From the perspective of serenity os it is still there and mostly compatible if someone is interested to come along and push it forward to be used in the os.

Re: I'm forking Ladybird and stepping down as SerenityOS BDFL

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Post by doublerabbit »

Apocryphon wrote: post #91
doublerabbit wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know my comment comes out negative. Shameful wasn't the right word. It's disappointing that there is no target for *BSD. I'm very respectful for you to attempt such a project. In no way am I dismissing your work but I see more and more projects becoming very mono orientated where it becomes a struggle for other OS's to adopt.

Why FreeBSD and not one of the other BSDs?

Good point. Going forward noted to not miss the others.

I've used all three but freebsd has so far been the only one that has stuck.

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