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AMD Unveils Ryzen 9000 CPUs for Desktop, Zen 5

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Re: AMD Unveils Ryzen 9000 CPUs for Desktop, Zen 5

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I wonder when the PC world will transition to unified memory and more monolithic architectures as seen in the Apple M-series chips, but also in the NVIDIA GB200 "superchip", the AMD MI300 accelerator, the X-Box and Playstation consoles, and even in some mobile phone system-on-a-chip designs. It feels like the PC is the "last holdout" of discrete upgradeable components with relatively low bandwidth between them.

Sooner or later, AI will need to run on the edge, and that'll require RAM bandwidths measured in multiple terabytes per second, as well as "tensor" compute integrated closely with CPUs.

Sure, a lot of people see LLMs as "useless toys" or "overhyped" now, but people said that about the Internet too. What it took to make everything revolve around the Internet instead of it being just a fad is broadband. When everyone had fast always-on Internet at home and in their mobile devices, then nobody could argue that the Internet wasn't useful. Build it, and the products will come!

If every gaming PC had the same spec as a GB200 or MI300, then games could do real-time voice interaction with "intelligent" NPCs with low latency. You could talk to characters, and they could talk back. Not just talk, but argue, haggle, and debate!

"No, no, no, the dragon is too powerful! ... I don't care if your sword is a unique artefact, your arm is weak!"

I feel like this is the same kind of step-change as floppy drives to hard drives, or dialup or fibre. It'll take time. People will argue that "you don't need it" or "it's for enterprise use, not for consumers", but I have faster Internet going to my apartment than my entire continent had 30 years ago.

Re: AMD Unveils Ryzen 9000 CPUs for Desktop, Zen 5

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I'd love to replace my 2950x, but most desktop motherboards still don't support 128gb of memory.

You can run 4x32 DDR5 on current gen AMD consumer platforms but don't expect speeds above 4400MHz in quad-channel regardless of what the module is rated for. I'd instead suggest dual channel 48GB DIMMs for 96GB at full speed.

4 DIMMs does not equal Quad-channel. I see in AMD's presentation Quad-channel is supported by chipsets, but I am not aware of a current AMD consumer/hedt chip with 4 memory channels.

Re: AMD Unveils Ryzen 9000 CPUs for Desktop, Zen 5

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I'd love to replace my 2950x, but most desktop motherboards still don't support 128gb of memory.

I just had a look and the comparison website I use says there are 113 motherboards that support 128GB or more memory for AM5. (in my local market. so the US probably has even more) 128GB isn't exactly a lot, so that would surprise me if it wasnt supported.

> I just had a look and the comparison website I use

Which website is that?

Re: AMD Unveils Ryzen 9000 CPUs for Desktop, Zen 5

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Try matching the size, power draw, and price of the Zero.

Thats about the only area the Pi is superior at this point. For the usecases where a zero is all you need its a no brainer, but many are using them as home servers and such. Even a basic wireless camera feed can be a struggle for the zero so it's usecases are certainly limited, but its power to performance is great for its price.

Yes, the Zero 2 W is well worth it for wireless streaming. With MediaMTX's WebRTC you get great quality and really low latency.

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Try matching the size, power draw, and price of the Zero.

The zero is a cool device and I found some uses for it, but realistically it’s not at all comparable to the raspberry Pi people (used to) love

Cheep, low power, same GPIO, same great software support? I rarely use none zero's now what is missing?

Re: AMD Unveils Ryzen 9000 CPUs for Desktop, Zen 5

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I wonder when the PC world will transition to unified memory and more monolithic architectures as seen in the Apple M-series chips, but also in the NVIDIA GB200 "superchip", the AMD MI300 accelerator, the X-Box and Playstation consoles, and even in some mobile phone system-on-a-chip designs. It feels like the PC is the "last holdout" of discrete upgradeable components with relatively low bandwidth between them. Soone…

I can’t wait for my games to start hallucinating narration.

Re: AMD Unveils Ryzen 9000 CPUs for Desktop, Zen 5

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Surprisingly not that much to be excited about IMO. AMD isn't using TSMC's latest node and the CPUs only officially support DDR5 speeds up to 5600MHz (yes, I know that you can use faster RAM). The CPUs are also using the previous-gen graphics architecture, RDNA2.

Yeah - I've been waiting to see what this release would entail as I kinda want to build a SFF PC. But now that I know what's in it, and since they didn't come out with anything really special chipset-wise, I'll probably just see if I can get some current-get stuff at discounted prices during the usual summer sales.

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These are decent GPUs for anything other than heavy gaming. I'm driving two 4k screens with it, and even for some light gaming (such as factorio) it's completely fine.

I agree, my 780m is quite capable in most games. Depending on the resolution & settings even cyberpunk 2077 is playable at 60fps. MS Flight sim though hits (presumably the memory bandwidth bottleneck) hard.

The GPU in the APU is on a totally different level when compared to the 2 core RDNA 2 one in the “normal” CPUs

For example the 780m you mentioned has 12 cores and newer architecture so is probably something like 10 to 15 times more powerful.

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I agree, my 780m is quite capable in most games. Depending on the resolution & settings even cyberpunk 2077 is playable at 60fps. MS Flight sim though hits (presumably the memory bandwidth bottleneck) hard.

The 780m is RDNA3 though.

Thanks, missed it. Is the steamdeck rdna2? That's also decently capable.

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I agree, my 780m is quite capable in most games. Depending on the resolution & settings even cyberpunk 2077 is playable at 60fps. MS Flight sim though hits (presumably the memory bandwidth bottleneck) hard.

The GPU in the APU is on a totally different level when compared to the 2 core RDNA 2 one in the “normal” CPUs For example the 780m you mentioned has 12 cores and newer architecture so is probably something like 10 to 15 times more powerful.

Thanks for the clarification, I think I got confused with the other desktop chip(s?) that have a 780m.
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