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Re: Brave launches Search Ads in key markets after successful test phase

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You're really grasping for straws here to defend this. I'll explain: > 2. Brendan Eich never said that it was supposed to be turned on by default, hence a bug. What are you even arguing against here? Turned on by default? Who was it supposed to be on for according to you? > 3. Brave stopped the affiliate link partnership. After the backlash they realized how stupid it was, apologized and removed the feature (not bug)…

> It's not a bias, they crossed every line possible. My browser is not supposed to with my requests, ever. No excuses. They considered it a good choice at the time and I will keep reminding people every time brave comes up. But you shouldn't worry, that means you'll still have a job hunting down such comments to damage control. All this rage is pointless. The issue is literally on GitHub and was created by Brave's en…

Don't mistake my annoyance with this "discussion" for rage. Github history can be manipulated (I'm not saying they did, just stating a fact). Why would Eich himself claim it was a bad judgement call and apologize? He calls it an attempt at monetization not a mistake. This is not the kind of code your cat types, it was 100% intentional.

Use Brave if you want I don't care but what's the point in making up all these far-fetched excuses? Anyone can read the articles themselves and make up their own mind.

You don't know what biased means, I have an educated opinion on the matter, bias is something else.

Re: Brave launches Search Ads in key markets after successful test phase

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> It's not about how google wouldn't be able to exist. They can surely exist as a search engine. It's not that expensive. How do you expect them to earn money? The reality of the situation is pretty clear on this one, it is ad-supported or irrelevance for search engines. We've been watching this market play out for more than 2 decades. > What you actually miss here is the fact that we're getting MORE ads all the time…

> How do you expect them to earn money? By manipulating the order of search results, of course. > The reality of the situation is pretty clear on this one, it is ad-supported or irrelevance for search engines. We've been watching this market play out for more than 2 decades. There is no "market". There is google. Searching the internet is googling. If they'd just split out the search business today from the whole Alp…

>> How do you expect them to earn money?

> By manipulating the order of search results, of course.

That is what they do already. The name for it is advertising! What distinction are you drawing between advertising and this income stream where they manipulate the search results? Is your complaint here that you don't like the ads looking visually different?

Re: Brave launches Search Ads in key markets after successful test phase

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> How do you expect them to earn money? By manipulating the order of search results, of course. > The reality of the situation is pretty clear on this one, it is ad-supported or irrelevance for search engines. We've been watching this market play out for more than 2 decades. There is no "market". There is google. Searching the internet is googling. If they'd just split out the search business today from the whole Alp…

>> How do you expect them to earn money? > By manipulating the order of search results, of course. That is what they do already. The name for it is advertising! What distinction are you drawing between advertising and this income stream where they manipulate the search results? Is your complaint here that you don't like the ads looking visually different?

The stuff that makes the internet useless as soon as you turn off your adblock.

Re: Brave launches Search Ads in key markets after successful test phase

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Advertising is potentially useful, it's the scale that's a problem. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPGgTy5YJ-g Like, "Every inch of the new park is covered in sponsor branding" is a problem, but "I had no idea that a store selling towels opened in our town" is also a problem. These are both advertising, at some point you cross from "I didn't know about that, thanks" to "Just fuck off already" and that's too much adv…

> "I had no idea that a store selling towels opened in our town" is also a problem Is it a problem? Maybe in 1995 this would be a problem advertising could fix, but today it's either: a. I don't need towels so I don't care that this opened. b. I do need towels and I do a web search for stores that sell towels nearby - at which point I become aware. Advertising is inferior to an honest catalog of businesses and what t…

I agree with this. Advertising as in "being findable" is helpful, advertising as in "shoving things down everyone's throat to make them buy things they didn't know they needed" is unsustainable, intrusive and unnecessarily overwhelming.

Re: Brave launches Search Ads in key markets after successful test phase

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Why would you even use brave? You want to view advertisements just use Chrome. If you don't there's Firefox and ublock origin.

This post is about the search engine, not the web browser. I use Brave instead of Google search because Google presents me with captchas every time I use it, and Brave's search engine is good enough. I already use Firefox and ublock origin.

Thanks for this. I don't get why most comments are about the browsers...

I tried kagi, the results start great and get noticeably better even within the free trial period. I don't have to worry about ads and I've blocked or lowered all poor quality sites on the fly. I sort results by tracker count and find most of the time results with lowest trackers have the best content for what I am looking for. Anything I couldn't find was also not findable with google or bing. I started a year of paid subscription and I don't think I'll ever go back to any ad-funded search or any free search that might be tempted to add ads later.

I really recommend to give it a try.

Re: Brave launches Search Ads in key markets after successful test phase

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Brave does not block native ads (except for Google’s) on any website. All third party embedded ads are blocked by default.

So it blocks Google search ads, but not brave search ads?

No, it doesn't block Google's sponsored ads. It blocks embedded ads that track you.

Re: Brave launches Search Ads in key markets after successful test phase

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Except Brave privacy policy directly contradicts your claims (many times). https://brave.com/privacy/browser/ > Safe Browsing > The Brave Browser automatically uses Google Safe Browsing to help protect you against websites, downloads and extensions that are known to be unsafe (such as sites that are fraudulent or that host malware).

From your link: > We proxy these requests through Brave’s servers to reduce the amount of information sent to Google (for example, we remove your IP address) to protect against Google profiling or tracking you when using Safe Browsing.

You have to be maximally naive and gullible to believe this protects you from profiling/tracking.

Re: Brave launches Search Ads in key markets after successful test phase

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Does Brave ad blocker block these ads? Or does it only block competing ads?

1 - The initial idea to create Brave was to allow users to view ads and get paid for their attention. 2 - They've been caught replacing affiliate links with their own. Based on that information what does your instinct tell you?

How do people keep peddling #2, when it isn't even factually correct on what happened? Sure, presume malice on the campaign links to Binance, but the bug was about turning people writing binance.us IN THE ADDRESS BAR into a campaign link, not replacing anyone's affiliate links on web pages, which is how it's always presented as.

Re: Brave launches Search Ads in key markets after successful test phase

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I'm the only one wondering why that should be a (good) news? I mean: are the user rewarded for the attention (the logic behind BAT) or it's just another search engine with another search ads ? Mine is an honest question, not a complaining.

An indenpendent search engine that doesn't track you seems like a good thing to me. Remember, half the nastiness of modern ads is that they track you and are also pretty heavy. In a search engine it's much easier to get the targeting from your search query without tracking you - something eg. DuckDuckGo also does. Helps keep the lights on.

Re: Brave launches Search Ads in key markets after successful test phase

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> blocking by default Except it doesn't block all ads by default at all.

It blocks YouTube ads but leaves some first party ads in place. The YouTube ad blocking is the most important to me.

Sounds like you have no reason to use brave over ublock origin.
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