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Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by rsingel »

wlesieutre wrote: post #37
jwells89 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US it’s also not uncommon for connections to be not only asymmetrical, but downright lopsided. Comcast sells “gigabit” in my area that’s 1.2Gbps down but only like 20Mbps up which is just silly. Thankfully a competitor offers true gigabit for about the same price, and so that’s what I subscribe to.

AT&T currently doing 390 down / 340 up on my symmetric 300 plan, can’t complain

Except you are paying the company that built the NSA's domestic spying apparatus, paid to flood the FCC with millions of fake anti net neutrality comments, and paid Michael Cohen $600k to fight net neutrality and anti-trust.

Other than than that, totally great

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by renewiltord »

zer00eyz wrote: post #41

I live in the bay area and just got sonic fiber to my house. 49 bucks a month for 10gbe. I have only seen it get up to 8gb in TESTING... I might be able to get to 9. That is a stupid amount of bandwidth. I give it 6 months before I get a call and they fire me as a client. Cause im going to try to use the hell out of it.

Nah, they don't do that. You can even run a server on it if you want. Or that used to be the case. Email the CEO, if you'd like. He does respond.

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by renewiltord »

It's funny. For eons, Americans on the Internet could be relied on to say that the reason they don't have fiber is because their country is big. But their more rural areas get it first and best, revealing the lie everyone tells.

But forget that, these ISPs absolutely rule https://www.brigham.net/residential-pricing/

That's so much nostalgia. I adore it!

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by fooey »

Phiwise_ wrote: post #74

This is such a misleadingly narrow headline. Utopia's a decade old and has been a mess from the business side pretty much the entire time. Even Google fiber in Provo's somehow giving better rollout service than they are. I was excited when it was announced as a teen but it's been a long road of failing to live up to expectations for all but a tiny fraction of our residents in the rich parts of our cities. And it's su…

Provo built a municipal fiber network and then sold it to Google for one dollar, so I'm not sure that's a great counter example

> Provo taxpayers still will have to make $3.3 million in bond payments on the system each year for the next 12 years, even though Google will own the network.

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by snielson »

ubj wrote: post #39

I recently bought a house in Utah. Utopia is the best internet provider experience I've had so far (I've had Xfinity and Verizon previously). Speeds are typically 10-25 Mbps _faster_ than the advertised rate I'm paying for. Being able to have multiple (~5 or more) provider options to choose between is a welcome change from past monopolies I've been trapped in. Granted this all could change down the road (I hope not),…

Utopia provides an active ethernet connection to each subscriber with the specified bandwidth. This is superior to most fiber deployments, which are passive optical networks (GPON) where groups of 16-32 homes share a connection (usually 2.4 Gb down and 1.2 Gb up).

I live in Utah and actively worked to get fiber in my small city. Utopia requires cities to guarantee a take rate (40% if I recall correctly) and taxpayers must make up any deficiency. I've never heard of taxpayers actually doing that but it was enough to scare people from adopting Utopia in my city.

Ultimately what brought fiber to my city was covid. The monetary tsunami unleashed by the federal reserve and the government made it possible for a local private company to build a fiber network. I just got hooked up last week. It is great.

The other thing that happened is that the wireless companies offer high quality internet service. For a time I had both Comcast and T-Mobile home internet. I regularly got speeds of 1.2-1.4 Gb down on T-Mobile (100 Mbps up). Verizon also offers home internet but it was too unstable when I tried it.

All this is to say that I have three high quality Internet connections at my home (fiber, T-Mobile, and Comcast), one marginal connection (Verizon), and one garbage connection (Century Link; however, they have also been installing fiber in the area). Competition is great!

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by mikeyouse »

akie wrote: post #55
ethbr1 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parent's argument wasn't that the existent private market was great, but rather that a public utility monopolizing the market might not be great in the future.

Many of these remote areas are barely being served by companies at the moment because they’re not profitable (enough). Why would anyone object to the people just doing it themselves instead? That way at least they’re not at the mercy of some company that needs to earn a dime.

Objecting to people providing their own infrastructure where private companies have failed to do so, because at some undefined point in the distant future those same companies hypothetically could offer better service is the most worm-brained thing I've read in awhile. If the 10gbps network isn't fast enough in 10 years (already a hilarious premise), the same citizens who voted to invest in muni fiber to begin with could choose to increase their speed/capacity.

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by kbenson »

i2shar wrote: post #86
zer00eyz wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can’t even use that much bandwidth. I built an opnsense box (part of my proxmox cluster) and passed through a dual 10gbe nic. That whole PC was cheaper than any off the shelf routing solution I could find. The rest of the network is going to take time... I suspect that im gonna end up with a few fiber runs in the house before all is said and done.

What networking gear do you use inside your home? What router? Do they terminate an actual fiber connection (SFP+) to your home or you get 10GB Ethernet?

You get a 10GbE port off the ONT.

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

lesuorac wrote: post #82
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is what driving me nuts about these threads. These aren’t free markets. They’re government regulated into being something else entirely, then people stomp their feet and complain about capitalism.

Uh, how did the government forbid there from being more than one ISP in a neighborhood? The regionalization of ISPs is entirely their own doing to avoid competition.

> The regionalization of ISPs is entirely their own doing to avoid competition.

And what mechanism did they use to do that?

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by lokar »

manquer wrote: post #28
lokar wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This came up at lot at google when they launched fiber. CA regulation and environmental laws make it to easy for the monopolies to stop or slow you down. If you look at how they pick cities the main criteria is friendly regulations like “one touch make ready” requirements.

Meh, they could have bought one the monopolies if they wanted to, like they did with Motorola when it is was in their interest to do so. It is a matter of will and persistence to run a this kind of business, Google does not have the DNA to run a serious enterprise business that needs decades of commitment to a product .

In 2012 google paid like 12B for Moto, comcast had a market cap of like 80B

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by kbenson »

renewiltord wrote: post #92
zer00eyz wrote: post #41

I live in the bay area and just got sonic fiber to my house. 49 bucks a month for 10gbe. I have only seen it get up to 8gb in TESTING... I might be able to get to 9. That is a stupid amount of bandwidth. I give it 6 months before I get a call and they fire me as a client. Cause im going to try to use the hell out of it.

Nah, they don't do that. You can even run a server on it if you want. Or that used to be the case. Email the CEO, if you'd like. He does respond.

As long as you aren't consuming most of your bandwidth through abusing one of our servers used to provide ancillary services like email or or a website we host (and you would have to abuse it likely to do so), I sincerely doubt anyone here would even notice.

You don't deploy a 10gig network to consumers as your only speed tier and design so it can't be used. Even if there ended up being problems if a few people used their full bandwidth (again, there shouldn't be), it's uncommon at this point that people have the hardware to be able to and if they do that it would be more than a brief burst. Honestly, your problem will be getting the other side to keep up.

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