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Re: The most talented person in the world

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Post by vineyardmike »

friend_and_foe wrote: post #80

I was nodding my head as a member of the choir until > The only future of the internet is, sadly, proof-of-person and proof-of-residence on every public network interaction Yeah, go away. The problem is that Google has monopolized web aggregation. Without it these sites wouldn't be worth making. I've got to show ID to post something online to kick that can down the road? The way I see it this is a self resolving prob…

> Yeah, go away. The problem is that Google has monopolized web aggregation. Without it these sites wouldn't be worth making.

So how will you find things?

> Ad driven search engines rank ad driven blog spam

We don't have actual concrete proof that Google (or others) rank content with ads higher because of the ads.

As a contrary corollary, generally as society grows, we've seen an increase in "proof-of-person and proof-of-residence on every public X". Want welfare checks or charity, prove yourself. Want to buy cough syrup or booze, prove yourself. Want to drive, want to shoot a gun, want to XXXX.... get an ID.

In early America, men used to vote by everyone going into a big room and shouting for a while (some minor exaggeration). Now you have to register in advance and show ID, and they maintain registries of everyone and their affiliated party.

Showing identity comes with a lack of trust, and volume + anonymity decreases trust as it's slowly abused.

Re: The most talented person in the world

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Post by vineyardmike »

roughly wrote: post #17
munificent wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a classic argument and appears in many many forms: * "Psychologists don't want to fix your problems because then you'll stop needing therapy every week." * "Dating sites don't actually want you to find a long-term partner because then you'll stop using the site." * "The mechanic's not trying to actually fix your car, just get it running for a few weeks so it breaks down again and you come back." Etc. etc. Any…

> long-term strategy This is where the theory falls apart. When “long-term strategy” and “short-term quarterly earnings” get into the boardroom together at a public company, it ain’t “long-term strategy” that’s walking out.

It can be though. "Short Term" tends to win when CEO pay is contingent upon hitting certain share price at certain times. Founders tend to not have this issue, and I'm sure other CEOs can have pay packages crafted this way if we desired.

Re: The most talented person in the world

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Post by roughly »

vineyardmike wrote: post #92
roughly wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> long-term strategy This is where the theory falls apart. When “long-term strategy” and “short-term quarterly earnings” get into the boardroom together at a public company, it ain’t “long-term strategy” that’s walking out.

It can be though. "Short Term" tends to win when CEO pay is contingent upon hitting certain share price at certain times. Founders tend to not have this issue, and I'm sure other CEOs can have pay packages crafted this way if we desired.

There’s nothing stopping it except that investors solely want short term gains and are rewarding CEOs and management for delivering that and punishing them when they don’t.

Re: The most talented person in the world

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Post by qiqitori »

mvkel wrote: post #71
freitzkriesler2 wrote: post #68

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I'm sorry but LLMs notoriously provide inaccurate and otherwise awful information. Case in point, I asked an LLM what the last non cellular windows mobile classic PDA was. (I knew the answer) And it routinely got it wrong. This is what LLMs should be useful for. If I cant audit the results or very how it came to the conclusion the answer is useless. LLMs are toys at this juncture.

Here are the results for that exact search in Google: https://www.google.com/search?q=what+was+the+last+non+cellul... vs 4o: The last non-cellular Windows Mobile Classic PDA was the HP iPAQ 110 Classic. Released in 2008, it ran on Windows Mobile 6.0 Classic and featured a 624-MHz Marvell PXA310 processor, 256MB of Flash ROM, and a 3.5-inch screen with a 240 x 320 resolution. It included Wi-Fi and Bluetooth connectivi…

What about the HP iPAQ 112 then? Wasn't the HP iPAQ 110 Classic released in November 2007?

Also why are you entering questions into the Google search prompt?

Re: The most talented person in the world

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Post by BriggyDwiggs42 »

andrethegiant wrote: post #77
eszed wrote: post #64

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Who are some indie journalists you've found to be worth paying? I'd like to find some more work that's worth supporting.

Andrew Callaghan of Channel 5 News

He makes good stuff, but do the allegations give you any pause?

Re: The most talented person in the world

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Post by anguspmitchell »

frabjoused wrote: post #30

Has anyone built a search engine that uses LLMs to pre-grade every page with metrics such as: - Commercial bias (content compared to the source, which it learns about) - Insincere motives - Bloat (how many words it takes to say how little to penalize SEO bloat) I would assume that using LLMs, we can get a pretty good idea of what is SEO bloat and who the bad actors are by this point, and just penalize those results.

I always assumed LLMs would result in more bloated content (stupid interns) but I think you’re right that it’ll lead to more efficient prioritization (hooray interns)

Re: The most talented person in the world

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Post by foogazi »

frabjoused wrote: post #62
goatlover wrote: post #57

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Which LLMs stay current and link their sources? If I have to wait on the LLM to search for me, I'd rather just do the search myself. What if I want to search for something the LLM can't show me? Or something I want to watch or interact with that isn't an LLM?

I'm saying use LLMs as preprocessors to form predetermined rankings by URI which weigh into the search. Let the crawler pipe into an LLM.

I get it - use the LLM score as an additional metric for page rank, not ask the LLM for search results

Re: The most talented person in the world

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Post by itissid »

frabjoused wrote: post #30

Has anyone built a search engine that uses LLMs to pre-grade every page with metrics such as: - Commercial bias (content compared to the source, which it learns about) - Insincere motives - Bloat (how many words it takes to say how little to penalize SEO bloat) I would assume that using LLMs, we can get a pretty good idea of what is SEO bloat and who the bad actors are by this point, and just penalize those results.

Sounds a bit more like you want to do something reranking-ish. Ideally, you would train a retrieval system to retrieve the most relevant pages which would inturn have been trained on a dataset not very different from MS-Marco. This would get you a small set of documents you want to rerank.

For reranking to be able to detect commercial bias, insincerity or bloat you could use LLMs but IIRC you train a multiclass classifier for each and then combine the probabilities for each head(calibrate too?) into a score and use it in your ranking as weights?

Re: The most talented person in the world

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Post by rileymat2 »

acscott wrote: post #22

The equation to rank links is a poor substitute for an editor. Editors used to be the gateway of information that was disbursed via newspaper, radio, and TV. They were not without fault. So what is the least faulty filter? (Even your own brain, eyes, and ears are faulty, sorry perfectionists.) You cannot trust video or audio now due to deepfakes. What can you trust as a source of information more than 50%? There's st…

Google originally used back links in the equation; where the goal is to take the information by editors on a massive aggregate to rank. Brilliant until gamed.
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