Seven out of 10 Europeans believe their country takes in too many immigrants • Hacker News Board

Re: Seven out of 10 Europeans believe their country takes in too many immigrants

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Post by trueismywork » Sat, May 11, 2024, 1:49 PM UTC

snowpid wrote: post #88

trueismywork wrote: post #84

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And you see that happening where US remains more attractive destination for highly skilled people and Europe remains attractive for people who are willing to invest that much time for whatever reason (choice or necessity). And you see that in quality of immigration and then people wonder why they don't get economically beneficial immigrants..

They do. According to State of European Tech 2023 Europe is a net importer of Global Talent. btw It is also absolutely personally a net win to invest in a new language or a new culture.

> According to State of European Tech 2023 Europe is a net importer of Global Talent.

Then why are jobs empty in Germany? It's a net importer, but 30% of people in Germany also leave after living their for some years.

Also, regarding bew language, culture, it can definitely be a net win. But it's always about tradeoff. For someone from an third world country doing their masters, the net win from language might be less than net win from taking advantage of all the education resources available to them now in Europe.

A good engineer without knowledge of local language has a more robust prospects around the world than a bad engineer with local language knowledge.

Re: Seven out of 10 Europeans believe their country takes in too many immigrants

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, May 11, 2024, 2:43 PM UTC

snowpid wrote: post #89

racional wrote: post #80

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So it's okay to silence this segment of the Jewish population, and deny them citizenship rights in Germany (of all places) if they are "seen as weirdos among other Jews"? That's what you're advocating, apparently.

This is just a rare edge case I guess it is worth ignoring it. Also on the topic of Antisemitism I " trust " the local Jewish organisations and their opinion more than some stranger on HN.

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Re: Seven out of 10 Europeans believe their country takes in too many immigrants

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Post by racional » Sat, May 11, 2024, 3:10 PM UTC

snowpid wrote: post #89

racional wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So it's okay to silence this segment of the Jewish population, and deny them citizenship rights in Germany (of all places) if they are "seen as weirdos among other Jews"? That's what you're advocating, apparently.

This is just a rare edge case I guess it is worth ignoring it. Also on the topic of Antisemitism I " trust " the local Jewish organisations and their opinion more than some stranger on HN.

This is just a rare edge case I guess it is worth ignoring it.

The local decree is in clear violation of Articles 1 and 5 of the Grundgesetz in any case. Which was specifically designed to prevent bullying of sort.

In particular there's this notion of Meinungsfreiheit ("freedom of thought" essentially) as an explicitly protected right, which you might want to look into.

Re: Seven out of 10 Europeans believe their country takes in too many immigrants

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Post by pdimitar » Mon, May 20, 2024, 4:56 PM UTC

bitcharmer wrote: post #73

pdimitar wrote: post #36

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Sad but realistical take, I'm very surprised you haven't been flagged yet. Many people on social media, even HN tend to outright deny statistical data, call their opponents racists and shut down the whole discourse.

See, eventually I was flagged. :D