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Nintendo blitzes GitHub with over 8k emulator-related DMCA takedowns

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Re: Nintendo blitzes GitHub with over 8k emulator-related DMCA takedowns

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Post by lll-o-lll »

marci wrote: post #38
zmgsabst wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s stopping you from making torrents of your repos now? (Not as a rhetorical question; I don’t quite understand your vision, so I’m hoping you’ll clarify the usage.)

They are probably talking about a "serverless" bittorrent. Some kind of Git-over-DHT. It would require this to be accepted: http://bittorrent.org/beps/bep_0050.html (Decentralized Mutable Torrent)

Ooh, I really like this idea! A decentralized form of pub-sub based git sounds fantastic. Of course, much of what makes github et.al. desirable, is the extras on top. Pull Requests, Issues, Wiki, search, etc. Making a “local first” decentralized GitHub would be much work.

Re: Nintendo blitzes GitHub with over 8k emulator-related DMCA takedowns

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Post by Dibby053 »

YetAnotherNick wrote: post #76
Dibby053 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Distributed hosting means there isn't a single point of failure. Even without DMCAs it's fairly common to try cloning a random gitlab or plain git repo only to find it's down.

I have multiple torrent downloads pending for more than an year. Just because it is distributed doesn't mean it is safe from being lost.

Nobody is arguing that, but it's certainly less likely to go down or be lost than a typical direct download link. It's also easier/cheaper to self-host very popular repos with P2P, because it scales nicely.

Re: Nintendo blitzes GitHub with over 8k emulator-related DMCA takedowns

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Post by jMyles »

None4U wrote: post #33
pprotas wrote: post #30

Why are emulators illegal? I understand that they are associated with piracy because people play pirates games on them. But it’s like banning BitTorrent because it allows you to pirate, or Windows because you can play pirates games on it as well. The article mentions that emulators “illegally circumvent Nintendo’s technological protection measures and run illegal copies of Switch games.”. But which law makes it illeg…

> But which law makes it illegal to circumvent such systems? DMCA section 1201

>> But which law makes it illegal to circumvent such systems?

> DMCA section 1201

...which is an unambiguous observation that DMCA section 1201 is in conflict with the 1st amendment.

Re: Nintendo blitzes GitHub with over 8k emulator-related DMCA takedowns

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Post by dannyw »

lll-o-lll wrote: post #91
marci wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are probably talking about a "serverless" bittorrent. Some kind of Git-over-DHT. It would require this to be accepted: http://bittorrent.org/beps/bep_0050.html (Decentralized Mutable Torrent)

Ooh, I really like this idea! A decentralized form of pub-sub based git sounds fantastic. Of course, much of what makes github et.al. desirable, is the extras on top. Pull Requests, Issues, Wiki, search, etc. Making a “local first” decentralized GitHub would be much work.

Is it? I imagine you only really have to build a different persistence backend. Then, everything else can go through that.

Git in itself is designed to be distributed.

Re: Nintendo blitzes GitHub with over 8k emulator-related DMCA takedowns

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Post by jMyles »

forty wrote: post #55
dannyw wrote: post #8

I wonder if there’s a “git over BitTorrent”. Having a cryptographically signed (by authors, not by GitHub) and fully open source git hosting network would be a boom for FOSS security in general.

Or we can simply have a git hoster which is not in the US and as such is not impacted by DCMA

Seriously. When is this happening?

Broadly speaking, it's inevitable that some jurisdiction will decide to observe the unclothed emperor here and create a legal framework without the yoke of all of this "intellectual property". Obviously, it will thrive, and everyone will flock to use services there.

What then?

Re: Nintendo blitzes GitHub with over 8k emulator-related DMCA takedowns

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Post by omeid2 »

isodev wrote: post #87
omeid2 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That cat got out of the bag when Google was allowed to gobble up all copyrighted content to operate a commercial service without paying the copyright holders. If you can demonstrate genuine benefit to society --of course, beyond mere access to copyrighted material-- even if during the course of a commercial enterprise, copyright does not apply.

Because others do it doesn't make it right and indeed, we're yet to see even remote benefit to society from the "AI" bots hype. Eventually, one hopes to see _really good_ benefit, like... much greater than the cost and negative side effects of putting virtual pets on virtual, energy consuming hamster wheels.

This was for Google Books not AI, but it also applies to AI training nonetheless.

https://www.edsurge.com/news/2017-08-10-what-happened-to-goo...

Re: Nintendo blitzes GitHub with over 8k emulator-related DMCA takedowns

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Post by malka »

bilvar wrote: post #79
malka wrote: post #57

Out of sheer spite, I have long decided to never give any money to Nintendo. I pirate. And if I can't pirate, I won't play.

Yes, what an absurd notion they have that they must get paid for their (excellent) work.

Oh they deserve it. But, as a player, I feel deeply hated by them. And i Do not give money to people who hate me.

Re: Nintendo blitzes GitHub with over 8k emulator-related DMCA takedowns

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Post by dannyw »

d_tr wrote: post #65
pprotas wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are right, it says it right there: No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/1201 Can the emulators remove the circumvention code to avoid the DMCA takedown?

Isn't the whole emulator a circumvention? It circumvents the hardware which "effectively controls access to a work", which is the console itself.

Not exactly. Clean room reimpmentations are fine, and has been upheld in court. I think the copyright office even has a published exemption for it.

The issue is when you bypass encryption keys and systems.

Re: Nintendo blitzes GitHub with over 8k emulator-related DMCA takedowns

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Post by dannyw »

postgressomethi wrote: post #69
pprotas wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are right, it says it right there: No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/1201 Can the emulators remove the circumvention code to avoid the DMCA takedown?

Could "effectively controls access" be attacked here? The purpose of the hardware is not to control access.

It’s not hardware, it’s encryption and decryption systems.
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