Excuse my ignorance but was it ever about the higher level of quality in education with the schools? I honestly thought the "getting in" aspect was the most important one.
this is true. hard to fail but way very hard to get into Harvard.
The Ivy League and other elite private colleges are losing esteem
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Re: The Ivy League and other elite private colleges are losing esteem
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have the opposing view. Ivy league has spread anti-Israel propaganda and misinformation for decades while taking Qatari money. It got so deep a lot of Jews within Academia have a very distorted view of history and accept various academic claims (e.g. equating Israel with colonialism) as fact rather than as an academic exercise. I used to think this was grandstanding by the right, but the delusional letters sent by…
> Students (even Jewish students) are walking around with Hamas symbols. Can you substantiate this claim with evidence; e.g. a photo of a student bearing a Hamas (not Palestine) symbol on campus?
https://img.mako.co.il/2024/04/23/hamaslogo2304111_autoOrien...
There's also videos online of parades in Michigan calling anti-American slogans. I'm very much to the left but this doesn't mean that everything on the fox is "fake news".
Re: The Ivy League and other elite private colleges are losing esteem
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have the opposing view. Ivy league has spread anti-Israel propaganda and misinformation for decades while taking Qatari money. It got so deep a lot of Jews within Academia have a very distorted view of history and accept various academic claims (e.g. equating Israel with colonialism) as fact rather than as an academic exercise. I used to think this was grandstanding by the right, but the delusional letters sent by…
On the one hand, you complain about Jewish students protesting against Israel, but on the other hand, you call the protests antisemitic. The protests are directed against Israel and its war in Gaza, not against Jews, and as you yourself acknowledge, many Jews agree with the protests. > Hamas was offered a deal that would stop the war. Israel wants its hostages back. They can stop that right away by accepting the deal…
Re: The Ivy League and other elite private colleges are losing esteem
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
TikTok isn't banned. They are just being forced to operate it as a US company. And given we have whistleblowers who say they were providing information to the Chinese government and odd data like below it doesn't seem particularly unreasonable. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMAVQ5VXsAE1weD?format=jpg&name=...
> They are just being forced to operate it as a US company They are being strongly encouraged / coerced to operate as a non-Chinese controlled company. If they were controlled by a company in France, India or Brazil, that would be fine. Failing that, TikTok would be removed from app stores (and U.S. hosting). They are still free to do business in America. And TikTok.com will cleanly resolve. (Unlike e.g. Facebook in…
My understanding is that the new law also covers webapps.
Re: The Ivy League and other elite private colleges are losing esteem
#95It's kinda crazy just how untouchable Israel is in the US politically. TikTok can spread all sorts of craziness amongst America's youth for years -- but the second politicians find out it's being used to oppose Israel's actions in Gaza, it's banned by congress and the president (which is of course still pending). Ivy Leagues can spend years promoting very radical ideas and kicking out people left and right for wrongt…
It's called Cognitive dissonance. False notions meet the hard surface of reality and are shattered. The criminal (fact) PM of that "only democracy" gave public command to his US stooges (our representatives) and immediately the Israeli-trained dogs are let loose on Americans exercising "free speech".
Re: The Ivy League and other elite private colleges are losing esteem
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On the one hand, you complain about Jewish students protesting against Israel, but on the other hand, you call the protests antisemitic. The protests are directed against Israel and its war in Gaza, not against Jews, and as you yourself acknowledge, many Jews agree with the protests. > Hamas was offered a deal that would stop the war. Israel wants its hostages back. They can stop that right away by accepting the deal…
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And I assume everyone who doesn't agree with you is just misled?
The Israelis use the accusation of antisemitism to try to shut up critics. At the same time, Israel allies itself with the biggest antisemites all around the world. In Europe, Israel has been cozying up with all sorts of antisemitic movements, like Hungarian fascists under Orban, the fascistic AfD party in Germany, and the fascistic Front National (and its successor party). In the US, the congresswoman leading the supposed anti-antisemitism campaign, Elise Stefanik, has herself espoused the Great Replacement Theory, which is a classic antisemitic conspiracy theory. The reason why Israel allies itself with antisemites in the West is that antisemites also tend to hate Muslims, so Israel can find common ground with them on that point. In the US, many of the antisemites Israel allies itself with are Christian fundamentalists, who support Israel because it fits into their apocalyptic end-times beliefs.
But then when actual Jewish Americans go and protest against Israel's killing of tens of thousands of Palestinians, the same people who ally themselves with Stefanik and company call those Jewish protesters antisemitic.
> The deal for a Palestinian state was part of Oslo and would have allowed pretty much everything the moderates wanted including a part of Jerusalem
You're just wrong here. The major problem with Oslo was that it did not in any way guarantee the creation of a Palestinian state.
The whole implicit promise of Oslo was that the Palestinians would get a sovereign state, but that wasn't explicitly spelled out anywhere in the text, and the Israelis never committed to it.
The Palestinians made massive concessions when they signed the Oslo Accords. They recognized the state of Israel. They conceded everything beyond the Green Line, which constitutes 78% of Palestine. They only asked for the remaining 22%. But after they made those huge, historic concessions, the Israelis began trying to negotiate over everything that was left. We want this settlement. We want that settlement. We want control over most of East Jerusalem. We want to station troops in the Palestinian state. We want to control the eastern borders with Jordan. And on and on. The reason the Israelis made these demands was simple: they're in the dominant position, and nobody is going to force them to concede anything. The US is the one outside party that could actually pressure the Israelis to accept the Palestinians' reasonable offer of peace based on the 1967 lines, but the US is hopelessly pro-Israel.
> The demand of full demilitarization didn't exist back when the offer is made.
The Israelis have always demanded Palestinian demilitarization, as well as the right of the Israeli military to operate inside the future Palestinian state.
> E.g. pro-Palestinian protests help create a message that the Hamas sees as support to it. That means most Palestinians will fall back into the loop of bad leadership that keeps landing them to a worse positions than they were before.
The major problem is just the opposite. The Israelis have felt for the last 20 years that they can do anything to the Palestinians and ignore the Palestinians' demands for basic rights and a state of their own. The Israelis believe there will be no consequences, because the Palestinians are weak. October 7th was a complete aberration, the first time in 20 years that Israelis have suffered at all because of the occupation. Left to their own devices, the Israelis would just continue to expand settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, would never concede to the creation of a Palestinian state, and might even try to expel the Palestinians at some future date. Without outside pressure, there will never be an end to the conflict, except perhaps for a final expulsion of the Palestinians.
Re: The Ivy League and other elite private colleges are losing esteem
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> Virginia Tech will cost $41K (in state). It's hard to justify that sticker price too.
I see 37k, which includes room, board, and some modest personal spending. https://www.vt.edu/admissions/undergraduate/cost.html
You're paying the sticker price of a brand new car every single year.
This is bonkers.
Re: The Ivy League and other elite private colleges are losing esteem
#98How are these kinds of self-reinforcing systems usually brought down? I doubt some shifts in the opinions of normal people are going to stop the elite flywheel -- there's just not enough connection between a machinist in Ohio or a nurse in Phoenix and the elite for their opinions to matter. The Ivy League can fall apart one of two ways: 1. The levers of power move around to new groups of people radically enough that…
Who is doing this?
Re: The Ivy League and other elite private colleges are losing esteem
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> hard to believe that Google is going to start not wanting to hire MIT grads because MIT has a protest encampment There was a time when Google wouldn't consider a candidate if they weren't from MIT. The loss of that monopoly is the point. You aren't disadvantaged going to MIT today relative to a few decades ago. You're just not as relatively advantaged as you once were.
Google only hired from a single university? It seems unlikely, even at the beginning. Maybe it's an exaggeration of the story that they only hired from Ivy League schools.
Re: The Ivy League and other elite private colleges are losing esteem
#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Students (even Jewish students) are walking around with Hamas symbols. Can you substantiate this claim with evidence; e.g. a photo of a student bearing a Hamas (not Palestine) symbol on campus?
Pretty easy to find with a bit of Google e.g.: https://img.mako.co.il/2024/04/23/hamaslogo2304111_autoOrien... There's also videos online of parades in Michigan calling anti-American slogans. I'm very much to the left but this doesn't mean that everything on the fox is "fake news".