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Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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I can only hope we have someone more akin to Carter in office in my lifetime.

Be careful what you wish for, Carter is the poster boy of “good intentions not necessarily equaling good results”.

But admittedly he was better than the current candidates we have available to us in November.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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"... Carter himself later said that, while he had considered the object to be a UFO—on the grounds it was unexplained—his knowledge of physics had meant he had not believed himself to be witnessing an alien spacecraft." Can you imagine that someone this clear-headed was ever the President of the United States?

>his knowledge of physics had meant he had not believed himself to be witnessing an alien spacecraft One of our known scientific facts is that we know our understanding physics is incomplete (namely, QCD and GR are incompatible), so obviously we can never put 100% confidence into Carter's negative claim. This is just Epistemology 101, and totally uncontroversial. For all people, our perceptions are influenced by what…

We can't put 100% confidence in the claim that Santa Claus doesn't exist either, yet we say he doesn't because it'd be extraordinary for him to exist and we have no evidence to suggest he does.

That is not an "end of knowledge" style pronouncement, merely shorthand to avoid having to tack an "as far as we know" onto every single statement we make. Because we can known next to nothing with certainty. I don't know I'm speaking to a person and not an automaton for example, nor do I know I'm not a brain in a vat. It'd be very tedious if I had to caveat everything I said, however.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At the same time, the supposedly rational opponents to this does everyone a disservice by judging all of it based on the loudest fraction of people. Not really. The UFO community is synonymous with gullible crackpots and conspiracy loons. If the community wants to be take seriously, they themselves need to sort themselves out before they can expect to be taken seriously. It's the boy that cried alien.

> The UFO community is synonymous with gullible crackpots and conspiracy loons. It's worse than that. There's definitely a religious element to their beliefs. The UAP hearings last summer suggest that there's "UFO-believers" in leadership positions in the Department of defense. These people are SPENDING GOVERNMENT MONEY on insane fiascos and have been able to get a lot of attention lately. The AARO report ( https://w…

> There's definitely a religious element to their beliefs.

Such as? I haven’t seen this attitude you’re claiming to exist.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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"... Carter himself later said that, while he had considered the object to be a UFO—on the grounds it was unexplained—his knowledge of physics had meant he had not believed himself to be witnessing an alien spacecraft." Can you imagine that someone this clear-headed was ever the President of the United States?

> his knowledge of physics...

...of our contemporary civilization. If you think objectively about it, there is no reason for the technological level of any potential alien visitor to be in a range that we can understand - solely for the act of traveling great distances that are required to reach a distant star, they would need to have discovered physics paradigms far beyond our understanding today.

Us trying to 'interpret and judge' the technological level of such a civilization today would be akin to a never-contacted tribe seeing a helicopter and deducing that it cant be real because 'people cant fly'.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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post #20

He was interviewed on the Skeptics Guide to the Universe podcast, and they talked about the incident. https://www.theskepticsguide.org/podcasts/episode-105 This was the podcast referenced on the John Oliver show recently, when Oliver talked about Jimmy Carter's UFO incident. They also had a bit of followup (decades later) on the latest Skeptics Guide episode. The current thought is that he saw some aircraft from a ne…

There's strict protocols for aircraft flying near the president's aircraft. There's no way in hell the airbase would allow take off while the president is in the air and he wouldn't have been told about it.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need one of those digital cameras that swap in a pre stored high resolution image of the moon .. they're magic! https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/13/23637401/samsung-fake-moo...

To me, that is actually consumer AI done right.

"Our AI noticed you were trying to take a picture of your cat. Here is a better picture of a cat instead."

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

#98

It's crazy to me how this link gets upvoted in HackerNews but not David Grursch's (former NRO/NGA Intel Officer) claims don't. He testified under oath to the Intelligence Community Inspector Generals, both Senate/House Intel Committees, and a public House Oversight Committee under oath that the USG has recovered crashed/landed non-human intelligence craft. The ICIG referred Grusch's claims to the intel committees as…

Because he provided no evidence, merely hearsay.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

#99
post #57

While the link itself is not political, it seems to be inviting the people who want to turn HN into a place where they can say why their preferred candidate is the best, or more typically why the other candidate is just about the worst person in human history. HN is better when politics are discussed elsewhere. > Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. That tramples curiosity.

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