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Re: Kate editor on all platforms

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Post by FeepingCreature »

andreyv wrote: post #84
The_Colonel wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, this thought stopping argument again. X11 is garbage which nobody wants to maintain, let alone develop. It's a very archaic design which is patched via extensions to sorta support some modern concepts which negate the network transparency anyway. Both Wayland and systemd have a very wide developer consensus, because they finally provide a maintainable solution to their respective problems. The drama is constructe…

Old does not mean bad. Even a decade later Wayland struggles to provide basic features that were built in the X protocol.

When rewriting apps, people have a tendency to say: "well, Oldversion provides X. We could make a Newversion that provides X better, but that's hard so maybe X is actually bad? We should provide Y instead." Then they're confused when nobody with X needs wants to use Newversion.

Re: Kate editor on all platforms

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Post by brabel »

patorick002 wrote: post #88

I logged in solely to say that Kate was the main reason I stuck with KDE as my desktop environment, back in the KDE 3 days. I switched to Mac some time ago but I still use Kate as my editor. I'm happy that it still exists.

Kate on MacOS is terrible. I've tried helping them fix the shortcuts which are all "wrong" (MacOS uses certain shortcuts that are unlike most Unix systems, but Kate doesn't actually use the right ones all Mac users expect so it's a nightmare until you manually override at least some of the shortcuts yourself). I tried using the build tool (suggested in the article) but building Kate was a nightmare even with that... I had to give up after a few days trying random things as suggested by people on the Kate chat (each build was taking hours, then finally failing with some completely inscrutable error).

Even though I really enjoyed using Kate on Linux, as a mainly Mac user I had to forget about it and keep using emacs for random stuff, and IntelliJ for Java/Kotlin/Groovy/Dart and anything else well supported by Jetbrains.

Re: Kate editor on all platforms

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Post by jraph »

jchmbrln wrote: post #48
andmarios wrote: post #45

Kate was one of the main reasons I switched to Linux in 2004/2005. I had a lab in MySQL, and back then, the only option to develop in Windows was MySQL Workbench, which was as heavy as it got. Running an SQL statement was painfully slow, and iteration cycles were huge. In Linux, you would write your SQL in Kate, and run MySQL's cli in the embedded terminal. Once ready, you would click the button “pipe to terminal". I…

Yes! When I started using Kate on Linux ca. 2005, I was coming from Notepad on Windows and couldn’t believe how nice it was. I believe it was my first experience of syntax highlighting. And Amarok! I haven’t thought of that in a while. Losing Amarok was my single biggest regret when I became a Max user. I’ve not used anything since that came close.

> I was coming from Notepad on Windows

Ouch. You didn't use Notepad++?

Re: Kate editor on all platforms

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Post by donatj »

It’s been a long time since I have used Kate. I see it is stealing design elements from VSCode just like JetBrains UIs decided to. That really disappoints me.

I really don’t get the point of doing so. If I wanted to use VSCode, I’d use VSCode rather than the knock off. Why not have a distinct visual identity for crying out loud.

Re: Kate editor on all platforms

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Post by diffeomorphism »

brabel wrote: post #92
patorick002 wrote: post #88

I logged in solely to say that Kate was the main reason I stuck with KDE as my desktop environment, back in the KDE 3 days. I switched to Mac some time ago but I still use Kate as my editor. I'm happy that it still exists.

Kate on MacOS is terrible. I've tried helping them fix the shortcuts which are all "wrong" (MacOS uses certain shortcuts that are unlike most Unix systems, but Kate doesn't actually use the right ones all Mac users expect so it's a nightmare until you manually override at least some of the shortcuts yourself). I tried using the build tool (suggested in the article) but building Kate was a nightmare even with that...…

That sounds more like switching to macos being terrible. If I am used to kate on linux, windows,..., then I expect it to just work if someone hands me a mac with kate.

If you additionally want mac-style shortcuts as an option that is fine, but defaults should be consistent.

Re: Kate editor on all platforms

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Post by diffeomorphism »

rubymamis wrote: post #87

Why does the macOS binary needs to be 450MB if it's not an Electron app? My Qt app (also a text editor) is 140MB. And I can trim that quite a bit more.

Where are you reading 450? I am only seeing 139?

https://cdn.kde.org/ci-builds/utilities/kate/master/macos-ar...

Re: Kate editor on all platforms

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Post by rubymamis »

diffeomorphism wrote: post #96
rubymamis wrote: post #87

Why does the macOS binary needs to be 450MB if it's not an Electron app? My Qt app (also a text editor) is 140MB. And I can trim that quite a bit more.

Where are you reading 450? I am only seeing 139? https://cdn.kde.org/ci-builds/utilities/kate/master/macos-ar...

That is compressed.

Re: Kate editor on all platforms

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Post by Symbiote »

jraph wrote: post #93
jchmbrln wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes! When I started using Kate on Linux ca. 2005, I was coming from Notepad on Windows and couldn’t believe how nice it was. I believe it was my first experience of syntax highlighting. And Amarok! I haven’t thought of that in a while. Losing Amarok was my single biggest regret when I became a Max user. I’ve not used anything since that came close.

> I was coming from Notepad on Windows Ouch. You didn't use Notepad++?

Notepad++ would have been very new at that time. I don't know what those early releases were like.

But there were similar editors. I remember using SCIte which was similar to Notepad++. SCIte was first released in 1999.

Re: Kate editor on all platforms

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Post by zem »

I really loved the overall design and functionality of kate back in the day, but I also really loved vim as my actual editor. kept hoping that the vimpart (vim embedded in kate as the editor component) would actually go somewhere, but it never did.

Re: Kate editor on all platforms

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Post by zem »

xvedejas wrote: post #59
jwrallie wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also k3b was an amazing software for burning CDs back then, its interface easily rivaled contemporary proprietary software. KDE 3.5 was one of the peaks (if not the peak) of graphical interfaces on GNU/Linux. Experiencing KDE at the time I was used to the Windows XP interface felt amazing, and soon after Vista promises of innovation on interface were nothing compared to what could be done in Compiz (More on the Gnome…

KDE is still great! I continue to see improvements and KDE6 has some killer features like KDE Connect. (we still don't talk about KDE4 though)

kde6 has lost the ability to change the window manager :( I have a wonderful xmonad + kde5 setup on my work laptop but had to stick with mate on my personal machine (not worth fighting with my distro to downgrade to kde5)
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