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Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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Post by Arathorn »

SamWhited wrote: post #87
Arathorn wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like the original post may be just a little biased against Matrix in favour of XMPP ;) Matrix has been going strong for 10 years, and while it's true that the Matrix.org Foundation (and Element) need funding (c.f. https://matrix.org/blog/2024/01/2024-roadmap-and-fundraiser/ and https://matrix.org/blog/2024/04/open-source-publicly-funded-... ) it's clear that elsewhere in the Matrix ecosystem there's loads of…

It's not less sustainable than most other FOSS projects, it's just that most other FOSS projects also don't have sustainable funding. If you're just comparing the actual implementations this is true of most XMPP stuff as well. However, that's not what's being talked about here most likely (though it's unclear since when we just say "Matrix" or "XMPP" we're talking about a protocol, not a service, client, server, etc.…

> If you compare Matrix the foundation/company, they are VC funded (the foundation is a bit of a sham after community pressure, it's all the same people and accounts controlling it,

This not true.

Element (the company set up by the original Matrix team to fund their work) may be VC funded - but the Matrix.org Foundation is entirely separate, with its own leadership (the Managing Director is Josh Simmons, formerly president of OSI), its own accounts, and is funded by memberships and donations. It’s also electing its own governing board in the next few weeks: https://matrix.org/blog/2023/12/electing-our-first-governing...

Calling it a “sham” is demonstrably untrue, and far from pleasant.

Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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Post by owenpalmer »

contrapunctus wrote: post #63

Hi! Author here, wasn't expecting that someone would share this hastily-hacked-together post on HN ^^' Thanks for reading, and ask me anything! PS - I suspect some may have missed my footnotes if they were reading on mobile - tap the numbers to see them.

Hi, great article. I'm pretty new to OSM. One of my hobbies is 3D scanning for photogrammetry. Is there a good way to contribute 3d models (retopologized ofc) to OSM in some way? Could include drone scans or buildings, sculptures, etc.

Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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Post by philsnow »

contrapunctus wrote: post #50
philsnow wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sentence was right after this paragraph: > Talking over phone is the most reliable way to announce the party, send reminders and confirmations, and to coordinate during the party. That way, there's no question of "didn't check my messages/email". Maybe it’s different in India but here in the states, when you tell most people that you’re not coordinating with imessage/sms (or fb messenger or whatsapp), you’ll get…

Author here, and it's quite similar in India. Everyone expects me to WhatsApp them the details, and the ubiquity of proprietary platforms is infuriating. Thankfully we've been able to use cell calls and SMS/email until we can onboard them to XMPP. (Many of us in the Delhi OSM community are free software and XMPP advocates.)

Note, I'm very sympathetic to not wanting to use proprietary platforms in general [0], but I'm not at a point in my life where I can spend any brain glucose at all on it.

[0] in particular because of the plight of the umbrella protestors in Hong Kong and the government's infiltration of coordination platforms

Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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Post by sp8962 »

luuurker wrote: post #62
sp8962 wrote: post #49

I need to quote myself on this thread https://twitter.com/sp8962/status/1534079141640904705 Steve hasn't been a relevant force in OSM for more than a decade and if you want to do OSM a favour, point people to the editor on openstreetmap.org, not any of the mobile or "simplified" editing apps.

> point people to the editor on openstreetmap.org, not any of the mobile or "simplified" editing I wouldn't have made most of my contributions (or even started mapping) if I had to use their website on a tiny screen or had to take pictures or notes to add it later when I had my computer. I use their website, but that only for more advanced stuff. The right approach is approach is probably somewhere between the two ex…

> You don't have to do this yourself, just understand that simple apps are a good way to bring new users in, ...

Except that the numbers show the opposite.

Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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Post by contrapunctus »

owenpalmer wrote: post #92
contrapunctus wrote: post #63

Hi! Author here, wasn't expecting that someone would share this hastily-hacked-together post on HN ^^' Thanks for reading, and ask me anything! PS - I suspect some may have missed my footnotes if they were reading on mobile - tap the numbers to see them.

Hi, great article. I'm pretty new to OSM. One of my hobbies is 3D scanning for photogrammetry. Is there a good way to contribute 3d models (retopologized ofc) to OSM in some way? Could include drone scans or buildings, sculptures, etc.

Thanks! I've been interested in mapping with drones myself, but the cost has kept me out.

The 3D Model Repository sounds like what you want. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/3D_Model_Repository

Wikimedia Commons might work for this, too. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Commons#3D_mod...

Tangentially, if you aren't already aware of them, you may be interested in OpenDroneMap (ODM) https://opendronemap.org/

and OpenAerialMap (OAM) https://openaerialmap.org/

Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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Post by komali2 »

thriftwy wrote: post #83
komali2 wrote: post #79

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Building the infrastructure sounds more expensive, physically difficult, and politically difficult than expanding bus and train lines. How do you justify the car option given that public transit objectively takes up less space and is better for the environment?

Because people want that? In reality, you can do both. You can also do neither. I live in a dense urban core already where it is often convenient to take a bus. But not always - there are those mysterious poles of unavailability. Upgrading it with automatic off-site parking could still free up a lot of street estate.

> Because people want that?

People want to drive without their seatbelts while drunk. Actually, this is one of the few times it's correct to truck out, "if we asked the people what they want, they'd say faster horses." Most Americans have no idea what they're missing in terms of the convenience and comfort of a good public transit system. Instead of being mad at everyone in your city for 40 minutes twice a day, you can relax for 30-45 minutes twice a day while reading a book or taking a nap. And, you can get drunk if you feel like it, and get home cheap anyway.

> But not always - there are those mysterious poles of unavailability.

A better funded public transit system wouldn't have this.

> off-site parking could still free up a lot of street estate

Offsite where? Parking lots? Consider Houston: "off site" aka out of the city is about a hundred miles from the city center. There's no "off site" for many American cities.

Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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Post by thriftwy »

komali2 wrote: post #96
thriftwy wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because people want that? In reality, you can do both. You can also do neither. I live in a dense urban core already where it is often convenient to take a bus. But not always - there are those mysterious poles of unavailability. Upgrading it with automatic off-site parking could still free up a lot of street estate.

> Because people want that? People want to drive without their seatbelts while drunk. Actually, this is one of the few times it's correct to truck out, "if we asked the people what they want, they'd say faster horses." Most Americans have no idea what they're missing in terms of the convenience and comfort of a good public transit system. Instead of being mad at everyone in your city for 40 minutes twice a day, you c…

Give me a map and I'll find a way for an off-site carousel.

I can see a huge amount of wasted space below freeway interchanges which encircle central Houston. Just build two storey deep FSD offsites below all of these.

US is a weird outlier but many other places already have good public transit. FSD offsite parking they still can explore.

Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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Post by komali2 »

thriftwy wrote: post #97
komali2 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Because people want that? People want to drive without their seatbelts while drunk. Actually, this is one of the few times it's correct to truck out, "if we asked the people what they want, they'd say faster horses." Most Americans have no idea what they're missing in terms of the convenience and comfort of a good public transit system. Instead of being mad at everyone in your city for 40 minutes twice a day, you c…

Give me a map and I'll find a way for an off-site carousel. I can see a huge amount of wasted space below freeway interchanges which encircle central Houston. Just build two storey deep FSD offsites below all of these. US is a weird outlier but many other places already have good public transit. FSD offsite parking they still can explore.

In Taiwan we turned the under-bridge areas into markets, basketball courts, concrete parks (for BBQ or whatever), and skate parks. In Japan they do one better and turned them into full blown malls and shopping areas.

No matter where you want to put a parking lot, there's something better, more beneficial to society, less environmentally damaging, more conducive to a nice place to live, and more capitalistically valuable than the parking lot that can go there instead. And if you want to start talking about drilling holes in the ground to put parking lots, great, let's make them horizontal instead and spend that money on a subway.

Cars are simply a bad solution to moving people, automated or otherwise. Ever hear the story about how they had to take realistic parking lots out of sim city, because they made the game boring? There's a reason for that.

Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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Post by thriftwy »

komali2 wrote: post #98
thriftwy wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Give me a map and I'll find a way for an off-site carousel. I can see a huge amount of wasted space below freeway interchanges which encircle central Houston. Just build two storey deep FSD offsites below all of these. US is a weird outlier but many other places already have good public transit. FSD offsite parking they still can explore.

In Taiwan we turned the under-bridge areas into markets, basketball courts, concrete parks (for BBQ or whatever), and skate parks. In Japan they do one better and turned them into full blown malls and shopping areas. No matter where you want to put a parking lot, there's something better, more beneficial to society, less environmentally damaging, more conducive to a nice place to live, and more capitalistically valua…

All that does not preclude Taiwan from having a car per 3 people, and that includes infants and the elderly, as the saying goes.

If you have these cars, stop pretending you don't need to handle the traffic. You do.

Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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Post by komali2 »

thriftwy wrote: post #99
komali2 wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Taiwan we turned the under-bridge areas into markets, basketball courts, concrete parks (for BBQ or whatever), and skate parks. In Japan they do one better and turned them into full blown malls and shopping areas. No matter where you want to put a parking lot, there's something better, more beneficial to society, less environmentally damaging, more conducive to a nice place to live, and more capitalistically valua…

All that does not preclude Taiwan from having a car per 3 people, and that includes infants and the elderly, as the saying goes. If you have these cars, stop pretending you don't need to handle the traffic. You do.

1 per 3 people? We're at like 2.8 per 10 in Taiwan. If Taiwan had 1 car per 3 people the country would be in permanent gridlock, there's absolutely not enough road infrastructure to handle that. Taipei already experiences near gridlock every single rushhour.

We handle traffic with busses, MRT, docked bicycle rental system, and also the fact that our cities are very dense, with lots of small businesses like restaurants easily accessible from your house within a five minute walk.

I'm arguing to get rid of the cars. Taiwan should do the same, for the record. I mean, the classic image illustrates the point perfectly https://danielbowen.com/2012/09/19/road-space-photo/ there's just no way to justify private cars in a modern era with cities having multi-millions of people.

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