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Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

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Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

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> This has set a basic precedent I would note that technically the small claims court in the UK does not set precedents. That would be the function of a higher court.

How so? I thought a precedent was just any case that has been ruled in a certain way, irrespective of the court it has happened in.

Not all courts have the power to set precedent. Small claims courts in England don’t.

Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

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> but it's a bit of work to maintain and can break occasionally. Which is a major problem because my tolerance for my bank's app not working when I open it is so low it might as well be non-existent. I personally gave up this fight.

Or switch banks and stop fighting.

I just switched to another bank. No one should accept apps with such checks.

Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

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How so? I thought a precedent was just any case that has been ruled in a certain way, irrespective of the court it has happened in.

Not all courts have the power to set precedent. Small claims courts in England don’t.

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Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

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This is rubbish. I'm running GrapheneOS and have left my bootloader unlocked, and there's no app that has refused to work. The only caveat is some of them need Google Play services. No, I am not rooted, but my last phone was rooted and there might have been one or two apps out of dozens that wouldn't work with root even with Magisk trying to hide the root status. Using a custom ROM is easily one of the beat choices I…

Do you use a banking app? Last I read depending on the type of check used some apps can still be problematic.

Same with McDonald's, interestingly enough

Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

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Pixels can also be re-locked with a custom ROM present (I think Graphene is the only one that does this, though). For that reason alone I'll be transitioning back to Pixel (once this phone is beyond help).

CalxyOS is the other one, with less problematic developer history.

Up until your comma the comment suited me just fine, but then... let's not get personal about developers' health issues. It isn't helpful, and there has already been an HN discussion on the topic that you've unfortunately exhumed. There has been great progress at solving problems that had come up during a sad time for GrapheneOS and CalyxOS.

Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

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This is rubbish. I'm running GrapheneOS and have left my bootloader unlocked, and there's no app that has refused to work. The only caveat is some of them need Google Play services. No, I am not rooted, but my last phone was rooted and there might have been one or two apps out of dozens that wouldn't work with root even with Magisk trying to hide the root status. Using a custom ROM is easily one of the beat choices I…

Do you use a banking app? Last I read depending on the type of check used some apps can still be problematic.

So I guess next thing we need is someone sueing the fucking banks that do that. Mine luckily doesn't because I explicitly use an old phone with LineageOS, the banking app, and nothing else on it for online banking. It's arguably way more secure than using your main phone with a bazillion other Apps installed and online at all times.

Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

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CalxyOS is the other one, with less problematic developer history.

What are the history problems with graphene?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36089104

In tech as in all of life, wellness of those in leadership can be ephemeral and is never to be taken for granted or assumed. I wish good health to all involved.

Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

#98

> This has set a basic precedent I would note that technically the small claims court in the UK does not set precedents. That would be the function of a higher court.

How so? I thought a precedent was just any case that has been ruled in a certain way, irrespective of the court it has happened in.

It seems like this court does not have the authority to set ‘legal precedent’, though colloquially it has ‘set a precedent’ in the sense that it did something for the first time.

Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

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Long is gone the time where unlocking bootloaders and installing custom ROMs was the best path to follow. Even if you are able to unlock it (with difficulties such as this one, or others that involve opening the device and soldering a shortcut), you will have a device where apps check for unlocked bootloaders and rooted OS, and forbid you from use the application.

This is rubbish. I'm running GrapheneOS and have left my bootloader unlocked, and there's no app that has refused to work. The only caveat is some of them need Google Play services. No, I am not rooted, but my last phone was rooted and there might have been one or two apps out of dozens that wouldn't work with root even with Magisk trying to hide the root status. Using a custom ROM is easily one of the beat choices I…

what? safetynet is absolutely a pain in the ass. i think there are some xposed and magisk modules or whatever that can work around it but that's a cat-and-mouse thing and can break. lot of bank and financial apps, lot of stuff with DRM will break.

Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

#100

> ASUS makes some of the best Android phones you can buy > ASUS has one of the worst software support commitments in the Android world How can you possibly say both things in the same article?

The type of consumer buying an ASUS device is the type of consumer that thinks the spec sheet tells them how good something is. Eg, faster CPU and more RAM, or higher screen refresh rate or whatever is good regardless of any other variables or the package as a whole.

This means they are "some of the best Android phones you can buy", as in, they have some of the best specs per $ you can buy. Not that they are actually good phones.

It makes total sense someone could think they are great phones while they also have terrible software support since software support is not a simple hardware number on the spec sheet.

This is very like PC people that hyper-focus on a few metrics like CPU frequency since it is simple and numerical and easily compared, even if it is not actually sufficient to tell you much about full system performance.

Example ASUS phone description from enthusiast: "It's got good speakers, 2 charge ports, 165 refresh rate, optimal cooling, a set of ultra sonic buttons, ip54, crazy good battery, acceptable camera, storage is crazy high 256GB for 1 grand, 512 for 1.1 grand, 12G ram for 1k, 16G ram for 1.1k, can take 2 sim cards."

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