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Almost no one cares if your site is not on social media

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Re: Almost no one cares if your site is not on social media

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Heck, I'd be happy if it were my uncles in my feed. It's not, it's random strangers LARPing at what's obviously a very contrived lifestyle. "Hey look at me in my camper van - this is awesome - oh and I'm wearing a thong just in case the content isn't interesting enough" LOLWUT, I don't need that in my life. I only keep a FB/Insta account to stop somebody else squatting/stealing my name.

> I only keep a FB/Insta account to stop somebody else squatting/stealing my name. There are probably thousands of people in the world with the same name as you.

So? I still don't want some Russia troll farm to squat on an account with my name and likeness.

Re: Almost no one cares if your site is not on social media

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I find it funny that if I were to read your comment outside of this website, I could most likely identify it as a HN comment because it mentions barely-used sites popular in HN (such as Bluesky, Signal, Jitsi, IRC, etc), but skips mentioning actually popular ones everywhere else (like Snapchat, Facebook/Messenger, Instagram, TikTok, etc).

Edit: I was wrong, 40M MAU is peanuts and shouldn't even be considered an app really.

Seems like you're splitting hairs. His point was that some of these services popular with the HN crowd aren't as popular elsewhere. And Signal has historically had a reputation of being used primarily by techies, not the general masses (even if the current numbers indicate that's shifted).

Re: Almost no one cares if your site is not on social media

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Oh, I agree so much, but I am not sure about your examples either: Snapchat - does it even exist anymore? It had its time, but personally I don't know anyone still there. Same with Facebook Messenger, which has completely been replaced by WhatsApp in my (non-nerd) circles. I thought about including TikTok but it would be more in the - YouTube, TikTok, Vimeo, PeerTube category. To me, these are borderline social media…

I think to label YT, TikTok etc as pure consumption is not accurate entirely. I get your point, but on the ways they specifically differ from television is the ability to make reaction/response or whatever else videos. So for some at least it’s not pure consumption (even though it is for many users)

I do remember YT video responses did exist, but I haven't seen any in a long time. Google found this [0] 15 years old video explaining how to do it. According to the comment section it is historical. Video replies no longer exist.

[0] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=93Q5ChkkCnc

Re: Almost no one cares if your site is not on social media

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If you are too present on social media, there is no mystery left about you. You become too familiar to trigger the curiosity of a follower to click on another link you posted. The economy of attention doesn't lead far.

I'd disagree with that. Most people I know that use social media for marketing are just following the eyes, making as many people as possible aware that they exist and have done something. If you don't try to put your work out there nobody will know you've done it. If the economy of attention didn't lead far there would be no advertisements.

Re: Almost no one cares if your site is not on social media

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Edit: I was wrong, 40M MAU is peanuts and shouldn't even be considered an app really.

Seems like you're splitting hairs. His point was that some of these services popular with the HN crowd aren't as popular elsewhere. And Signal has historically had a reputation of being used primarily by techies, not the general masses (even if the current numbers indicate that's shifted).

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Re: Almost no one cares if your site is not on social media

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I'm not surprised OP isn't getting many clicks on social. It's because people don't want to click on links inside automated posts, which is what he uses for Mastodon.

Those accounts do not engage in conversations, they just post links to their own site. It looks like every other blogspam post, even if that isn't the intention. You can choose to run your social media account as a syndication channel, but it's sort of like posting links on HN from your personal site only.

Re: Almost no one cares if your site is not on social media

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Social media activity seems to be really bad for certain kinds of content. On Twitter I frequently see art posts with thousands of likes and less than 10 comments. And inevitably a few of those replies will be pussy-in-bio spam bots. Even on Threads, accounts with hundreds of thousands of followers often end up getting between 10 and 20 comments as well. It seems like if you want engagement you have to post some sort…

SM platforms like Twitter and Facebook are Time Squares. People ignore most of the posts, stare at something for 2 seconds if it catches their attention in some way (bait usually), and point to what really interests them (retweet,…). And sometimes you stumble on an active discussion (in the analogy, it would be like pointing a camera to those involved and showing them on the big screen with speakers blaring)

Then you have forums which are like lecture halls, IRC like apps (Discord, Slack) which feels more like classroom (without the teacher) and finally, the direct conversations in Whatsapp, Messenger and Telegram.

Re: Almost no one cares if your site is not on social media

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Social media activity seems to be really bad for certain kinds of content. On Twitter I frequently see art posts with thousands of likes and less than 10 comments. And inevitably a few of those replies will be pussy-in-bio spam bots. Even on Threads, accounts with hundreds of thousands of followers often end up getting between 10 and 20 comments as well. It seems like if you want engagement you have to post some sort…

I also notice that some content like art and music only pull passive engagement. On the opposite end of the spectrum you have platforms like Twitch, where a creator's success is almost entirely dependent on their ability to build an actively engaged following. I think the key to it all is that the creator has to encourage and participate in interactions with their following.

Re: Almost no one cares if your site is not on social media

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What I've noticed from working on the Cybershow over the past year is that the digital world is split cleanly into two realms that never touch each other. I avoid social media, and have never gone near Facebook, Linked-In or that stuff. But I do recognise and respect the audience out there who should not be ignored. So Helen does the "social media". I do the old fashioned web, email reaching out to other bloggers, pu…

> We see practically no correlation between these worlds. Helen will say "We're trending on platform X" and I look and see nothing in the web stats. Maybe 2 out of 2000 hits cross over from Facebook or Twitter. Conversely, we can get on the front page of a big website, but have no activity on social media.

Social platforms that send referral traffic often strip the referrer information, so your visitors will show up as 'direct'. [0]

[0] https://sparktoro.com/blog/new-research-dark-social-falsely-...

Re: Almost no one cares if your site is not on social media

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> This created tragicomic situations, such as people posting anonymous reports of toxic companies in the comments of the blog and one that threatened to sue me if I didn’t take down the spreadsheet.

In the old times, I briefly worked in some industry and was co-admin in a blog about working-related issues in that field. It was a rather small, obscure blog, that did not have any real traction outside a certain political niche, until a post where we shared one of our readers' experience working in a certain company. That post totally blew up and it received insane amount of views and comments by people talking about their experience working there and elsewhere. The comment thread below was going on years after the blog was practically abandoned. I still enter from time to time to approve comments.

I miss the blog era, because a blog post like that is not ephemeral like social media or other similar modern platforms like reddit or this very site. This creates a more protracted, sustained and imo healthy engagement profile. It still needs to be discoverable, but it was no problem back then once of community of blogs was formed linking to each other. Social media, on the other hand, are a black hole, as it is much harder to find and even more engage with posts that are more than a few days at most old. And while everything is always hosted somewhere and nobody ensures that stuff like with geocities will never happen, platforms like wordpress blogs allow at least one to backup and scrap a site more easily, and the control of the hosting providers on the content is much less than that of the social media platforms.

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