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The Texas Triangle: A rising megaregion unlike all others (2021)

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Re: The Texas Triangle: A rising megaregion unlike all others (2021)

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As someone who recently moved to the Texas triangle, I’m baffled by the lack of good transportation options between the three cities. It’s a 3-4 hour drive and while there is a train, freight gets priority. So the train takes anywhere from 3-7 hours. You can fly but with security any sort of delay and it would faster to drive.

Driving from Houston to Austin, there is not even a freeway. It's highway with traffic lights and small town speed reductions.

Re: The Texas Triangle: A rising megaregion unlike all others (2021)

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Check out Vonlane. They are deluxe buses that cover the Texas triangle. We use them for work to move our guys between Houston / Austin regularly and people seem to love it. It's pretty cheap, comfortable, and has wifi.

Cheap? I just checked there and Austin to Dallas return is 270 dollars... On a bus. That's just incomprehensibly expensive to me (as a European).

They're priced that way because they compete with shuttle flights, and most importantly, they are far from a normal "bus" experience - the images shown at https://vonlane.com/ are accurate IMO.

Re: The Texas Triangle: A rising megaregion unlike all others (2021)

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Question for the HNers in the "Texas Triangle": does it "feel" like a megaregion? I've spent very little time in Texas (only a handful of trips), but my impression was that there's a very stark drop from moderate density urban cores, to sprawling suburbs, to virtually uninhabited interstitials around highways. In other words: it wouldn't occur to me (as a non-Texan) to even think of Austin and Dallas as belonging to…

Having spent nearly a decade in the San Antonio/Austin area, no. I'd say only recently have San Antonio and Austin even felt connected. But Dallas and Houston are completely different worlds in my mind. It's nearly 5 hours from San Antonio to Dallas, with not much interesting in between.

Re: The Texas Triangle: A rising megaregion unlike all others (2021)

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I never thought about it before - but seeing that chart of "Megaregions", almost none of my work travel within the US from the last 15 years has been outside of those regions.

Those regions cover the majority of US population, so that is statistically the likely situation. There are a few significant cities (St Louis, Minneapolis, Denver...) not in a mega region, but most of the big cities are in one and so odds are your business is mostly in a mega region for statistical reasons.

Re: The Texas Triangle: A rising megaregion unlike all others (2021)

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Question for the HNers in the "Texas Triangle": does it "feel" like a megaregion? I've spent very little time in Texas (only a handful of trips), but my impression was that there's a very stark drop from moderate density urban cores, to sprawling suburbs, to virtually uninhabited interstitials around highways. In other words: it wouldn't occur to me (as a non-Texan) to even think of Austin and Dallas as belonging to…

Not to me. I've lived in Dallas for over a decade at this point. I've visited Houston once. I've visited New York at least once a year. Putting aside that we're as far from each other as London is from Paris and Amsterdam, there is damn near nothing between us. When you add in the several hours you spend getting to an airport, getting through security, waiting for your plane to board, then the massive amount of time spent taxiing because DFW the airport is bigger than Dallas the city, the time difference between flying to Houston versus flying to a coast is negligible compared to your total door to door travel time, so frankly, Houston may as well be as far away as New York is.

Re: The Texas Triangle: A rising megaregion unlike all others (2021)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A plan to connect Houston to Dallas with a bullet train has been grinding its way along for years now[0]. Since Texas is loath to use eminent domain, the planning phase has been stalled for a loooong time. [0]: https://www.texascentral.com/project/ Edit: Whoops, wrong project. Still, the plans are there, we just need willing politicians.

Texas is very willing to use eminent domain, but perhaps not for rail projects or there are different statues for such a project. The use of eminent domain is pretty common for pipeline projects

It seems to have been largely forgotten (or never remembered, as transplants weren't around for it), but I think there's still a lot of scar tissue around eminent domain after the failed Trans-Texas Corridor project. It was pushed by a very popular Republican governor and completely failed after public outcry.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Texas_Corridor

Re: The Texas Triangle: A rising megaregion unlike all others (2021)

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I never thought about it before - but seeing that chart of "Megaregions", almost none of my work travel within the US from the last 15 years has been outside of those regions.

I feel like I'm missing some nuance, because it looks like it's basically just taking the largest population cities in the US and drawing circles around the ones near each other. "Most economic activity happens where the most people live" doesn't seem like a particularly novel insight.

The real insight (which isn't much) is that people tend to do business with those who are closer to them. It isn't a surprise that if I need something at work now my boss might send me to the local war-mart or whatever.

However that someone in Dallas is more likely to choose a supplier in Austin than one in Boston is interesting - once you leave Dallas does the extra distance to Boston mean anything? I can come up with all kinds of weird ideas.

Re: The Texas Triangle: A rising megaregion unlike all others (2021)

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Question for the HNers in the "Texas Triangle": does it "feel" like a megaregion? I've spent very little time in Texas (only a handful of trips), but my impression was that there's a very stark drop from moderate density urban cores, to sprawling suburbs, to virtually uninhabited interstitials around highways. In other words: it wouldn't occur to me (as a non-Texan) to even think of Austin and Dallas as belonging to…

Not to me. I've lived in Dallas for over a decade at this point. I've visited Houston once. I've visited New York at least once a year. Putting aside that we're as far from each other as London is from Paris and Amsterdam, there is damn near nothing between us. When you add in the several hours you spend getting to an airport, getting through security, waiting for your plane to board, then the massive amount of time…

I think it's very different when you grew up there and have significant family there, compared to if you are a transplant (even one with a decade under your belt). That extended family brings with it people moving between the cities, holiday visits to gather, etc. On my family's last couple of trips to Houston, we've included visits to Dallas to visit with other family members and I don't think it's that rare.

Plus, very few are even thinking of flying between the cities. Car ownership is high that flying to visit one of the other cities is definitely an edge case.

Re: The Texas Triangle: A rising megaregion unlike all others (2021)

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Question for the HNers in the "Texas Triangle": does it "feel" like a megaregion? I've spent very little time in Texas (only a handful of trips), but my impression was that there's a very stark drop from moderate density urban cores, to sprawling suburbs, to virtually uninhabited interstitials around highways. In other words: it wouldn't occur to me (as a non-Texan) to even think of Austin and Dallas as belonging to…

TBH I think it feels like it's starting to get a lot more "connected". For a long time, Austin was the outlier - very progressive and uniquely a tech center compared to the other cities. Over time, though, I think that has changed:

1. Pretty much all the cities in Texas are rather progressive now - like pretty much everywhere else it's an urban/rural divide now. Houston was the first city in the US with a lesbian mayor.

2. Austin is still the tech center, but I've started to see more companies (and people) move to Houston or Dallas as Austin has gotten ridiculously expensive.

3. You are correct about the wide expanses of nothingness in between the major urban/suburban areas, but I don't think that's quite critical to the author's thesis. That said, as Austin has gotten more expensive I lot of areas further out that I used to think of "nothingness" now have seen big booms. Lots of places between Austin and San Antonio in particular feel like they've exploded over the past decade.

4. One thing that I think that you're likely to miss from asking HNers is that, at least among people I know, there is much more "connectedness" among the cities between people and industries not in tech vs. those in tech. E.g. on the upper end folks I know in legal and banking travel fairly frequently between some of these cities, and on the lower end I know a bunch of Mexican immigrants that have friends and family spread out in San Antonio, Houston and Austin.

The big question in my mind is climate change. I've lived in Austin for a quarter century, and while our summers are always hot, last year was a new beast entirely - relentess week after week after week of 105-110 weather. I'm doing everything I can to get out of Austin in the summer now.

Re: The Texas Triangle: A rising megaregion unlike all others (2021)

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Question for the HNers in the "Texas Triangle": does it "feel" like a megaregion? I've spent very little time in Texas (only a handful of trips), but my impression was that there's a very stark drop from moderate density urban cores, to sprawling suburbs, to virtually uninhabited interstitials around highways. In other words: it wouldn't occur to me (as a non-Texan) to even think of Austin and Dallas as belonging to…

Having spent nearly a decade in the San Antonio/Austin area, no. I'd say only recently have San Antonio and Austin even felt connected. But Dallas and Houston are completely different worlds in my mind. It's nearly 5 hours from San Antonio to Dallas, with not much interesting in between.

Yeah but it’s a 77 minute flight. That’s one thing that always catches me off guard when I’m in an airport in Texas: the number of intra-state flights is massive. With pre-check and valet parking, you really can make it from door to door in about 2hrs.
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