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Re: No joke: FTC boss goes on the Daily Show and is told Apple tried to block her

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Post by ceejayoz »

indigo0086 wrote: post #90
ceejayoz wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These weren't contract clauses; they were direct conspiracy between top execs via email. > One email exchange recounted how Jobs asked Schmidt to stop Google from trying to hire one of Apple's engineers. "I would be very pleased if your recruiting department would stop doing this," Jobs wrote to Schmidt on March 7, 2007.

I'm curious why governments aren't held to this standard of conspiracy the are caught being "very pleased" if private companies did this or that to stifle various freedoms. If JS was honest and a comedian he'd bring something like this up to the FTC rather than give the federal government a nice ego massage.

> I'm curious why governments aren't held to this standard of conspiracy the are caught being "very pleased" if private companies did this or that to stifle various freedoms.

In the situation you're hinting at, social media companies regularly and frequently said "no" to those requests. That does not appear to have been the case in the Google/Apple non-compete conspiracy.

In other words, it's only a conspiracy if both sides conspire.

Re: No joke: FTC boss goes on the Daily Show and is told Apple tried to block her

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Post by bdw5204 »

ghaff wrote: post #24
bko wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is "hoarding of talent"? These are human beings and they have a right to work where they want. Let's be clear, apple "hoards" talent by offering them competitive pay and benefits. If others want to compete they should offer something as compelling. It doesn't have to be money, I personally left for less money multiple times. It could be working on an interesting problem or with smart people.

This is basically a complaint that they hired too many developers and overpaid them--and now some of those developers who left or were laid off can't find as ridiculously well-paid jobs somewhere else. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of jobs out there; they probably just don't pay as well or are as prestigious.

The issue in the current market isn't ex-FAANG employees. Most of them can probably find jobs elsewhere or should have plenty of savings to live on until the Fed cuts the interest rates and they can get funding for their startup. It is people who don't have FAANG on their resume and can't find work at all because FAANG decided to use its monopoly power to manipulate the labor market. Specifically recent graduates and people who've been laid off from companies that aren't FAANG.

Manipulating the labor market is far worse than manipulating the consumer market. People can choose to live without computers even if that's increasingly challenging. People can't survive in a country like the US that lacks a basic social safety net without stable employment.

Re: No joke: FTC boss goes on the Daily Show and is told Apple tried to block her

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Post by Rinzler89 »

bogwog wrote: post #65
knorker wrote: post #51

I'm shocked, SHOCKED, that Apple is super aggressively swinging their hammer to protect their brand. During a technical talk at a nieche conference, a speaker had an apple logo on a slide, along other logos, to illustrate devices. An Apple employee stood up and shut down the whole presentation, demanding that the presenter, RIGHT NOW, edit the slides to remove the apple logo, or he would not "let" the presentation co…

I believe the proper zoomer term for this is "cap"

Cap as in helmet?

Re: No joke: FTC boss goes on the Daily Show and is told Apple tried to block her

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Post by dartos »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #85
dartos wrote: post #81

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> Nobody's being held in an Amazon warehouse against their will In the US, needing health insurance has kept me at a job against my will and I’m a white collar worker. > Any beef is between Amazon and their workers, not Amazon and me. It becomes ur beef if Amazon becomes a government entity as OP was saying in their hypothetical.

Sure, but currently, if you want to talk about people being held against their will, only the government can do that. And no, working at a job you don't like just for the heath insurance coverage does not count as being "held against your will." Check your privilege.

But it does.

If my choice is either work at a job I don’t like or risk my life by foregoing medical procedures that I need… It’s not really a choice.

It’s the same situation as holding a gun to me and saying “work at this job or I’ll shoot you.”

This is far from the only way people are forced to keep people working against their will.

Threat of homelessness, dependents like children, family members who need medical support, H1B visas, etc.

I was saying how, even in a decently paying job, I’m forced to work there under threat of serious medical complications because of the state of healthcare in the US.

> Check your privilege

I’m not the one making blanket statements about why people work shitty jobs.

Re: No joke: FTC boss goes on the Daily Show and is told Apple tried to block her

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Post by ghaff »

bdw5204 wrote: post #92
ghaff wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is basically a complaint that they hired too many developers and overpaid them--and now some of those developers who left or were laid off can't find as ridiculously well-paid jobs somewhere else. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of jobs out there; they probably just don't pay as well or are as prestigious.

The issue in the current market isn't ex-FAANG employees. Most of them can probably find jobs elsewhere or should have plenty of savings to live on until the Fed cuts the interest rates and they can get funding for their startup. It is people who don't have FAANG on their resume and can't find work at all because FAANG decided to use its monopoly power to manipulate the labor market. Specifically recent graduates and…

So your argument is that if these people were never hired in the first place, the market would be better for people with less good backgrounds either for reasons of schooling or experience? I'm not sure I draw that connection.

I generally get that things are tougher for juniors--especially juniors with questionable credentials--but I have trouble drawing a line that developers are generally worse who were showered with money at a few companies in 2021-2023. And there are always industry periods when things are tougher for some cohorts (or even all of them).

Re: No joke: FTC boss goes on the Daily Show and is told Apple tried to block her

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Post by CamperBob2 »

dartos wrote: post #94
CamperBob2 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but currently, if you want to talk about people being held against their will, only the government can do that. And no, working at a job you don't like just for the heath insurance coverage does not count as being "held against your will." Check your privilege.

But it does. If my choice is either work at a job I don’t like or risk my life by foregoing medical procedures that I need… It’s not really a choice. It’s the same situation as holding a gun to me and saying “work at this job or I’ll shoot you.” This is far from the only way people are forced to keep people working against their will. Threat of homelessness, dependents like children, family members who need medical s…

But it does.

No, it doesn't, no matter how many times you assert otherwise.

I’m not the one making blanket statements about why people work shitty jobs.

Yes, you are.

Re: No joke: FTC boss goes on the Daily Show and is told Apple tried to block her

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

Meawhile it's Apple's "competitors" that are in the FTC's crosshairs. Arguably that makes this just a little more interesting. To be blunt, in keeping Khan off a podcast with a large audience, Apple appears to be doing someone else a favour.

Re: No joke: FTC boss goes on the Daily Show and is told Apple tried to block her

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Post by lnxg33k1 »

nyokodo wrote: post #42
lnxg33k1 wrote: post #3

Neoliberalism/anarcocapitalism has stoned these corporations, I hope it has arrived the day that we start putting them back in line by punishing well these monopolistic practices, anti unions strategies, stock dumping and buybacks, fiscal havens, mass layoffs, etc. it has gone out of hand. Companies can’t just leech out of general population undisturbed

> Neoliberalism/anarcocapitalism has stoned these corporations Either you’re implying that neoliberalism is the same as anarchocapitalism, or you’re suggesting that Apple embodies both at once. In the grand argument over how much government we need “neoliberals” would answer “less”, but a long way from answering “none” like the ancaps. Try and find an AnCap who wants government police, a state military, etc and then…

If you go back to my message, I said: "Neoliberalism/Anarcocapitalism stunned them", I was talking about the political and cultural environment that fostered Apple's and other's attitude from the end of the cold war, that the system didn't have anything to compete against, and got out of hand, until now.

Re: No joke: FTC boss goes on the Daily Show and is told Apple tried to block her

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Post by nyokodo »

lnxg33k1 wrote: post #98
nyokodo wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Neoliberalism/anarcocapitalism has stoned these corporations Either you’re implying that neoliberalism is the same as anarchocapitalism, or you’re suggesting that Apple embodies both at once. In the grand argument over how much government we need “neoliberals” would answer “less”, but a long way from answering “none” like the ancaps. Try and find an AnCap who wants government police, a state military, etc and then…

If you go back to my message, I said: "Neoliberalism/Anarcocapitalism stunned them", I was talking about the political and cultural environment that fostered Apple's and other's attitude from the end of the cold war, that the system didn't have anything to compete against, and got out of hand, until now.

> I was talking about the political and cultural environment that fostered Apple's and other's attitude

Neoliberalism certainly has had an effect, but can you point out the anarchocapitalist political and cultural elements that have had any significant influence on any part of society anywhere let alone Apple? It is an extremely fringe political movement even within libertarianism which is itself a small minority movement albeit large enough to occasionally be noticeable.

Re: No joke: FTC boss goes on the Daily Show and is told Apple tried to block her

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Post by lnxg33k1 »

nyokodo wrote: post #99
lnxg33k1 wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you go back to my message, I said: "Neoliberalism/Anarcocapitalism stunned them", I was talking about the political and cultural environment that fostered Apple's and other's attitude from the end of the cold war, that the system didn't have anything to compete against, and got out of hand, until now.

> I was talking about the political and cultural environment that fostered Apple's and other's attitude Neoliberalism certainly has had an effect, but can you point out the anarchocapitalist political and cultural elements that have had any significant influence on any part of society anywhere let alone Apple? It is an extremely fringe political movement even within libertarianism which is itself a small minority mov…

> within libertarianism

My bad then, I consider(ed) anarcocapitalism as a synonim of libertarianism

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