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Indians prefer to hire their own, this is very well known. And because this can’t even be discussed honestly, US corporations are powerless against this preferential treatment.

Why? Anybody with a pulse can see that Indians are overrepresented in IT relative to their population.

Why not treat this any differently than Whites preferring to hire their own?

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If the people predicting re-onshoring of production are correct (same people are predicting generally the collapse of China from demographics, which is a tad dramatic), companies need to get used to paying more for labor. Globalization is coming to an end. An unparalleled period of worldwide navigational stability and political stability enabled indirect access to labor markets of a vastly larger size. Why is that? B…

Found Peter Zeihan’s burner account ;)

It definitely is a lot of Zeihan in there, but a lot of what he says is compelling. I don't necessarily buy the "pirates are coming" because the US abandons patrolling the high seas.

I think China can replace its demographic losses in the cities by pulling from the rural areas.

But... with the end of oil as a paramount geopolitical concern due to our domestic production and EVs/alt energy ... why would we keep 13 carrier groups around? WHy are we doing all this "free defense"? Why are we essentially allowing China to own our production and give them a massive technology transfer?

And China is definitely turning totalitarian and incompetent and there are real signs of distress coming out of the country.

Zeihan used to be mocked, but then we signed the chips-in-the-USA and batteries-in-the-USA and more "moving production to Mexico" stories in the news. So there is definitely some re-onshoring happening.

Zeihan also poo-poos alt energy and EVs, he doesn't seem to understand the economics of alt energy in LCOE terms or the recent developments in battery chemistry that free us from nickel/cobalt constraints.

Do you listen to anyone else interesting?

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> Yes, in fact currently I am working in a team which has a disproportionate percentage of Iranians. They too like to hire Iranians. I wouldn’t have any problem with any of this if eg it was OK for Americans to prefer Americans too. In the US, it is no more OK, legally, to discriminate in hiring on the basis of nationality for any nationality compared to any other.

There is an exception for work that must be done by US citizens though. No country permits foreigners to do certain security-sensitive jobs, generally.

US citizens come from many historical nationalities.

I would wager that conditioning on US citizenship is less restrictive than conditioning on any other citizenship when seeking diverse historical nationality.

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Broadly speaking this is undeniable, and as an Indian you know it. This is precisely what I meant when I mentioned this can’t be honestly discussed: you’re denying reality to score some grievance points. I do personally know Indians who do not play these games. They exist, you might even be one of them. Congrats! But do consider the following statistics: 30% of Fortune 500 CEOs are Indian, and one third of all Silico…

> China represents an even larger pool, and yet we do not observe a large percentage of Chinese managers or CEOs. Care to theorize why that is? I think one reason is that Indians are culturally much closer to Americans than East Asians are, specifically in terms of attitudes toward selling and self-promotion. I think language also has something to do with it. English is not only mandatory in Indian K-12, it’s widely…

Exactly this. What OP sees is likely survivorship bias. Indians are the biggest population compared to China who have learnt English pretty much as a first language. It makes a big difference, especially for managerial positions in American companies.

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Broadly speaking this is undeniable, and as an Indian you know it. This is precisely what I meant when I mentioned this can’t be honestly discussed: you’re denying reality to score some grievance points. I do personally know Indians who do not play these games. They exist, you might even be one of them. Congrats! But do consider the following statistics: 30% of Fortune 500 CEOs are Indian, and one third of all Silico…

CEOs are selected by boards of companies. I’ll be surprised if majority boards are of Indian descent.

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Broadly speaking this is undeniable, and as an Indian you know it. This is precisely what I meant when I mentioned this can’t be honestly discussed: you’re denying reality to score some grievance points. I do personally know Indians who do not play these games. They exist, you might even be one of them. Congrats! But do consider the following statistics: 30% of Fortune 500 CEOs are Indian, and one third of all Silico…

> China represents an even larger pool

I am curious why would you think that given India has a slightly larger population than China now, and larger % of those who can speak English

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Correct. "At will" isn't quite the dystopian corporate nightmare some make it out to be. You can't just make up a reason. It has to be valid, and even if it is, it will be a headache for the legal department if there is even a hint that the person was targeted for being in a protected class. If it's proven the company fabricated the reason, well, you might as well name the company after person at that point. That's w…

> It has to be valid It doesn’t have to be valid. You can fire someone because you don’t like them, or for no reason at all. You just can’t fire them for a prohibited reason, such as race, age over 40, sex, disability etc. Needing a reason is more of a practical problem - every person is a member of at least two protected classes (everyone has a race and sex). If you have no reason for firing a person, it’s often pre…

No, there has to be a reason to determine unemployment benefit eligibility.

No smart company will ever put down "don't like them" or something more PC like, "culture misalignment." That's an invitation for legal issues. They're going to tie it back to performance as much as they can, and that takes time and effort.

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Indians prefer to hire their own, this is very well known. And because this can’t even be discussed honestly, US corporations are powerless against this preferential treatment.

Why? Anybody with a pulse can see that Indians are overrepresented in IT relative to their population. Why not treat this any differently than Whites preferring to hire their own?

It's "this isn't isn't happening, and if it is it's a a good thing"-adjacent.

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There is an exception for work that must be done by US citizens though. No country permits foreigners to do certain security-sensitive jobs, generally.

US citizens come from many historical nationalities. I would wager that conditioning on US citizenship is less restrictive than conditioning on any other citizenship when seeking diverse historical nationality.

There are exceptions to everything. But only native-born US citizens are eligible for some jobs, e.g. in the military. Other countries may be even more particular and require your parents to be natives too. This is not discrimination but plain old common sense. What foreigner or foreign-adjacent person can really be trusted? If there is an exception to be made, the trust extended must be minimal.

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...seems even hirer with marriage. I've worked at Silicon Valley startups that were that way. I remember thinking this is really odd how high the concentration was (probably about 70% Indian). Didn't really bother me because it was a great team and honestly one of the best companies I worked at. It didn't really seem like they discriminated in hiring and I never felt discriminated against at work. It was just that co…

Some people will hit each other up for paid references. The guy doing the referral can get paid by the new hire and the company. Idk what threshold of acquaintance is enough for a referral, but the worst things you can imagine have been done and are even routine in some places.

or just indian engineers have a disproportionate number of indian engineers in their social network
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