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Re: Greece, Argentina and India are the fastest improving business environments

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Post by m101 »

surgical_fire wrote: post #69
jajko wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure if you are serious with your comment but I'll bite - when you start a company, after going through all the hell of starting it and making it profitable (which is often multiyear draining effort which destroys families and health easily, risk of losing literally everything is very real), you want to give all those money to other people, who put just their expected 40h effort with maximum salary security, 5-6…

> when you start a company, after going through all the hell of starting it and making it profitable (which is often multiyear draining effort which destroys families and health easily, risk of losing literally everything is very real), you want to give all those money to other people, who put just their expected 40h effort with maximum salary security, 5-6 weeks of paid holidays etc. "I took on some risks to build u…

Last I heard a worker could leave his employer at any time for a another job elsewhere, taking any skills and know-how with them. Who is bleeding who?

It has always been the case that to best protect the worker you need to create a thriving economy with alternative employment for workers to arb their employers, not regulations or unions.

Re: Greece, Argentina and India are the fastest improving business environments

#92

Post by jajko »

surgical_fire wrote: post #69
jajko wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure if you are serious with your comment but I'll bite - when you start a company, after going through all the hell of starting it and making it profitable (which is often multiyear draining effort which destroys families and health easily, risk of losing literally everything is very real), you want to give all those money to other people, who put just their expected 40h effort with maximum salary security, 5-6…

> when you start a company, after going through all the hell of starting it and making it profitable (which is often multiyear draining effort which destroys families and health easily, risk of losing literally everything is very real), you want to give all those money to other people, who put just their expected 40h effort with maximum salary security, 5-6 weeks of paid holidays etc. "I took on some risks to build u…

Please stop with these primitive personal attacks, they have no place in this forum and I am sure you can do better than that.

You my friend need some life experience. Plenty of 20-something with same opinion in Europe, much less 30+.

Re: Greece, Argentina and India are the fastest improving business environments

#93

Post by yhavr »

surgical_fire wrote: post #80
yhavr wrote: post #77

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There should be a balance between workers bleeding dry in capitalism, and workers don't have (good) jobs because it's too much hassle with "regulations and labor protections", and is not worth the outcome. Really, if in a (over)socialist country I have an idea to build my personal wealth, why would I give jobs to all these protected guys, if I can leave them jobless, and get €€€ using minimal team I can assemble. Ide…

> There should be a balance between workers bleeding dry in capitalism, and workers don't have (good) jobs because it's too much hassle with "regulations and labor protections", and is not worth the outcome. I happen to know quite a few people from Germany. All things considered, there are good jobs and they have decent living standards. > Really, if in a (over)socialist country Germany? (Over)socialist? Are you high…

> Germany? (Over)socialist? Are you high?

(from what I researched) To the extent that Germany wouldn't allow me to invoice foreign company as a freelancer, because it's considered false employment. The state is so nanny that wants to impose their labor protection and social security on people who visibly don't want it. In other countries, I observe there is a kind of "social contract" (at least for programmers) to allow people work through business entities, pay less taxes and get less protection, if they're competent enough to make this kinds of contracts.

> Fact is there is money to be made by employing these "protected guys", they are certainly not jobless.

They are. Portugal and Spain impose a lot of socialist regulations backed by high taxes, yet they complain about brain drain (pt) and unemployment (es). People don't want to come and open businesses to these very attractive places for relocation. Instead, cold small Estonia gets their startup boom, surprise-surprise.

Re: Greece, Argentina and India are the fastest improving business environments

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Post by rad_gruchalski »

snowpid wrote: post #82
rad_gruchalski wrote: post #75

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Considering that Germany is losing business left and right, companies moving to other countries, rates of reemigration falling down, I’d say there’s not much positive development in Germany right now. Totally unappealing to start a new business and the bureaucracy is crazy.

Considering there are still major investments into Germany, there is still much positive development. I guess some people are just blind.

Gravis Store shutting down all locations in Germany, Bosch to lay off thousands by 2025. This is just from last week. Some people are blind, indeed.

Tell me more about those new investments pouring into Germany. Maybe we are consuming different news.

Re: Greece, Argentina and India are the fastest improving business environments

#95

Post by surgical_fire »

m101 wrote: post #91
surgical_fire wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> when you start a company, after going through all the hell of starting it and making it profitable (which is often multiyear draining effort which destroys families and health easily, risk of losing literally everything is very real), you want to give all those money to other people, who put just their expected 40h effort with maximum salary security, 5-6 weeks of paid holidays etc. "I took on some risks to build u…

Last I heard a worker could leave his employer at any time for a another job elsewhere, taking any skills and know-how with them. Who is bleeding who? It has always been the case that to best protect the worker you need to create a thriving economy with alternative employment for workers to arb their employers, not regulations or unions.

> Last I heard a worker could leave his employer at any time for a another job elsewhere, taking any skills and know-how with them. Who is bleeding who?

Of course, we never heard of employers colluding to suppress wages, no sir.

> It has always been the case that to best protect the worker you need to create a thriving economy with alternative employment for workers to arb their employers, not regulations or unions.

This is the bullshit of the ages. Jobs exist in countries where worker protections are high, believe it or not. It's the reason why I migrated to Europe for that matter.

Re: Greece, Argentina and India are the fastest improving business environments

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Post by surgical_fire »

yhavr wrote: post #93
surgical_fire wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There should be a balance between workers bleeding dry in capitalism, and workers don't have (good) jobs because it's too much hassle with "regulations and labor protections", and is not worth the outcome. I happen to know quite a few people from Germany. All things considered, there are good jobs and they have decent living standards. > Really, if in a (over)socialist country Germany? (Over)socialist? Are you high…

> Germany? (Over)socialist? Are you high? (from what I researched) To the extent that Germany wouldn't allow me to invoice foreign company as a freelancer, because it's considered false employment. The state is so nanny that wants to impose their labor protection and social security on people who visibly don't want it. In other countries, I observe there is a kind of "social contract" (at least for programmers) to al…

> They are. Portugal and Spain

Shifting goalposts much?

Somalia probably has no worker protections (it barely has a government), and it's not a thriving job environment.

If we are to just name countries without any criteria, two can play this game.

By your measurement, nordic countries, the Netherlands and so on should be depressing nightmares with hordes of unemployable people, given their strong labor protections. And surprise, they are not.

Re: Greece, Argentina and India are the fastest improving business environments

#97

Post by surgical_fire »

jajko wrote: post #92
surgical_fire wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> when you start a company, after going through all the hell of starting it and making it profitable (which is often multiyear draining effort which destroys families and health easily, risk of losing literally everything is very real), you want to give all those money to other people, who put just their expected 40h effort with maximum salary security, 5-6 weeks of paid holidays etc. "I took on some risks to build u…

Please stop with these primitive personal attacks, they have no place in this forum and I am sure you can do better than that. You my friend need some life experience. Plenty of 20-something with same opinion in Europe, much less 30+.

> Please stop with these primitive personal

I made no personal attacks, I merely exposed the bullshit of the original reply by reducing it to it's more basic premises.

> You my friend need some life experience.

Having a career for more than 2 decades (including FAANG on my resume), in 3 different countries, is not enough of a life experience?

I also have a child, bought a house with the fruits of my labor, always paid my taxes, etc. What more experience do I need?

Oh wait, I get it. You are making a personal attack. Since you have no defence against my arguments, your only recourse is an Ad Hominem by implying I am too young and have no life experience. The last resort of those without any arguments.

Re: Greece, Argentina and India are the fastest improving business environments

#98

Post by fakedang »

fakedang wrote: post #66

India so fast improving in business environment that 40% of those graduates under 25 are unemployed. https://www.cnbctv18.com/education/state-of-working-india-gr...

Gotta love how ruling party fanatics have already downvoted this innocuous and factual comment.

Re: Greece, Argentina and India are the fastest improving business environments

#99

Post by derelicta »

jdmoreira wrote: post #19
derelicta wrote: post #11

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Some neoconservative politician roleplaying as an anarchist reached the country's top office. He's privatising everything on a speedrun, weakening all labour regulations, waging an economic war against China, the country's top economic partner, and promised he would forfeit the country's currency to the Americans by switching to dollars. So ig for foreign investors its now or never to plunder what's left of Argentina…

He was democratically elected with this agenda. Maybe the people there were tired of the same old crony socialist disaster and rampant inflation plus accelerated loss of quality of live. I don't know, maybe what a country with great demographics and decent territory needs in this situation is a healthy dose of western/american capitalism. I would also much rather be allied to US agendas than to Chinese agendas ANY DA…

Of course westerner-lovers prefer an alliance with US over China; they profit from it. It's easier to empty the pockets of Argentinians when they think of you as a trustworthy friend.

Also regarding the healthy imposed dose of american capitalism: its funny how liberals/right wingers in the western world love to praise national sovereignty, but as soon as it is people outside of the western bubble who dream of national sovereignty, then suddenly its very bad and those dirty people should simply serve their European or American overlords without asking questions.

Re: Greece, Argentina and India are the fastest improving business environments

#100

Post by pyvpx »

TheCapeGreek wrote: post #57
pyvpx wrote: post #24

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except there is absolutely zero anything on permanent establishment rules. The Greek tax authorities could write one memo saying “hiring a director in Greece does not trigger permanent establishment” and that digital nomad visa program would really pop off. alas…nothing

I don't condone nonlegal actions, but do they really check your source of income? Usually with such sorts of tax authorities I'd imagine they'd only pay attention if they notice large incomes or many people citing the same contracting source. IANAFA and not clued up on Greek tax myself.

the digital nomad visa requires you to have a contract with a company outside greece. while you can establish your own local entity, that’s a different visa process. if you have your own domiciled outside GR and even spring for a “nominee director” you still trigger permanent establishment (the tax people aren’t the same as immigration people) and it’s still a very real risk.

now be a senior level IC having an opportunity at a global company that doesn’t have a GR office? yeah, the first year legal rep is gonna do a hard no.

and all the tax people need to do is stamp a memo…

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