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Re: Motorola's legal terms claim to strip owners of their right to sell their device

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Post by tzs » Sat, Mar 09, 2024, 9:57 PM UTC

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #72

tzs wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I've understood the Motorola page correctly, they do not give you the unlock code for your device if you do not agree to the terms. That would be consideration.

> That would be consideration. For device you already own? I don’t think so

I don't see how that would be relevant to the question of whether or not there is consideration. They are giving you something valuable in exchange for a promise. That what makes it valuable to you is that you can use it with a device you already own does not change that. Contract law generally just cares that it is valuable, not the particulars of what makes it valuable.

Re: Motorola's legal terms claim to strip owners of their right to sell their device

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Post by axoltl » Tue, Mar 12, 2024, 4:46 AM UTC

charcircuit wrote: post #69

axoltl wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve been an embedded security engineer for the past two decades, have worked on a dozen secure silicon projects, have broken several secure boot chains (albeit only one publicly, in 2014: https://fail0verflow.com/blog/2014/hubcap-chromecast-root-pt... ). I’ve also worked on some of the early Wii modchips when I was with Team Twiizers. These days I spend time (though not as much as I’d like) in cleanrooms playing wit…

>I can fairly safely say your assumptions are incorrect. Tell me what assumption is wrong so I can learn (unless your point was that software (and hardware :)) can have security bugs which I'm already aware of), else I will continue to repeat this.

Apologies, I should have been more nuanced in my reply.

Your assumptions are correct, for a given threat model. I think I'm simply arguing from a different threat model that includes hardware modifications like the modchips used in the Nintendo Switch, that glitch the power rail to modify the behaviour of the SoC.

Re: Motorola's legal terms claim to strip owners of their right to sell their device

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Post by CyberEldrich » Tue, Mar 12, 2024, 11:52 AM UTC

DarkmSparks wrote: post #30

CyberEldrich wrote: post #20

“Once you unlock the device, you can only use it for your personal use, and may not sell or otherwise transfer the device.” https://en-us.support.motorola.com/ci/fattach/get/741421/138...

Thanks. reading the rest of the document I think I see what the point is here. This basically adds an extra layer of legal protection for motorola against people unlocking the bootloader, installing bad things on it, then selling it on. The whole t&cs are basically "use this software and it will be considered legally as intentionally breaking the device". It doesnt stop anyone selling the device - but it does shift a…

> .. It doesnt stop anyone selling the device ..

I'm sorry but the text says otherwise ..

“Once you unlock the device, you can only use it for your personal use, and may not sell or otherwise transfer the device.”