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Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Post by nonameiguess »

marcinzm wrote: post #27

> And the minimal assurances in Mr. Sweeney’s curt response were swiftly undercut by a litany of public attacks on Apple’s policies, compliance plan, and business model. So according to Apple [edit] one isn't allowed to say bad things about a company publicly or they are allowed to ban your account? Interesting view.

As was said, this is normal in the US. Private businesses can refuse service to anyone for any reason. There's that paint color that is allowed to be used by all but one person because the inventor doesn't like them.

On the other hand, I'm definitely not saying this is okay or sane just because it's standard practice in the US. It's also how we got legalized segregation and we had to pass laws carving out exceptions to create protected classes such that you're not allowed to refuse service because a person is black, for instance. Just doing this splintered the country and created the modern GOP with its southern strategy.

So it's nice to see these large web companies having to respect the laws of other jurisdictions and not just the US with its hallowed history of property rights over all else, going all the way back to chattel slavery. If the EU can force saner norms on the web, I'm all for it.

Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Post by andy_ppp »

I’m so tired of this Apple tax, I think nobody would be this annoyed if Apple were saying 10% or something around that. 30% is more than most companies pay in tax on profits and this is a tax on revenue. I don’t think abusing your market position like some kind of protection racket should be allowed and if you don’t like it we’ll delete your App is quite frankly just as bad as the mafia smashing in shop windows. I doubt anyone will stop them but we can hope…

Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Post by evilduck »

littlestymaar wrote: post #60
jajko wrote: post #47

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A childish move, unexpected from such a company like apple especially with timing. Which probably boils down to one overzealous middle/higher manager trying too hard to be a good boi for superiors to get extra bonus... I don't think it panned as expected. Otherwise apple corporate culture is quite rotten.

> A childish move, unexpected from such a company like apple especially with timing. Especially when you add the failed PWA move before, they're starting to look pretty bad.

Serious question, what PWAs are worth using on Android that don't work on iOS?

Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Post by notaustinpowers »

ajross wrote: post #72
notaustinpowers wrote: post #46

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Apple hasn't faced a fine yet for this, so there's really no material harm to them for acting like this. And it's great theater for shareholders. I'm sure once we get to the point where the EU is going to begin issuing fines for DMA violations then Apple will change their position. Microsoft was acting like this in the 90s. I think history is just repeating itself with Apple.

> Microsoft was acting like this in the 90s. I think history is just repeating itself with Apple. So... the difference was Microsoft was winning those fights because their enemy was other products in the market. They'd tell Dell not to ship Netscape, and Dell would yank the product. They'd clone java, and websites would code to that to get IE compliance. They'd push ActiveX and bribe web properties to implement it, a…

True, trying to reason why Apple is acting like this is just making my head hurt lol

Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Post by throwaway118899 »

mmastrac wrote: post #69
throwaway118899 wrote: post #58

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How is this EU policy frivolous? Clearly there is 1) anti-competitive behaviour and 2) actual harms from Apple's actions. On top of that, their record for Apple:EU battles is what? N:0?

Anti competitive behavior? Over an App Store that’s only important because of the success of their phones. Phones that people don’t need to buy because there are alternatives? Miss me with actual harms being done.

Edit: Of course your anti-Apple bias shows and you downvote anything going against the circle jerk

Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Post by jsheard »

zer00eyz wrote: post #80

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Are you under the impression that lootboxes aren't allowed on the official App Store? Because they absolutely are, I would wager that a significant chunk of Apples store revenue comes from games with faux-gambling mechanics. Genshin Impact alone has made billions of dollars on mobile through gacha monetization and Apple has no objections to that strategy as long as they get their cut.

Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Post by rchaud »

anonymouse008 wrote: post #15

Not trying to start a flame war, I'm asking this earnestly. Where does this command over hardware (USB-C mandate), software (sideloading/AppStore), and prices (recent 2bn decision) end?

If enough shareholders vote in favour of Apple leaving the EU and its overbearing regulations, that's when it would end.

They won't because they know Apple exiting would simply hand the market to those that can bear the harsh yoke of consumer regulation.

Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Post by catlikesshrimp »

grishka wrote: post #52
koolba wrote: post #16

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You want to sell in their house, you gotta play by their rules. It’s that simple.

It's not their house. Someone bought an iPhone (not leased, bought, they own it now). Someone else made an app that that person wants to install on their iPhone (solely thanks to app developer's own marketing efforts). But Apple thinks it's appropriate to have their finger in the pie too.

Now there are fewer (or none) apple followers defending the old argument: Apple is entitled to profit for their platform. Thank EU for Striking some sense on that.

Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Post by tebbers »

koolba wrote: post #16
anonymouse008 wrote: post #15

Not trying to start a flame war, I'm asking this earnestly. Where does this command over hardware (USB-C mandate), software (sideloading/AppStore), and prices (recent 2bn decision) end?

You want to sell in their house, you gotta play by their rules. It’s that simple.

This argument is trotted out frequently and it misses the point. These are NOT Apple’s customers. Yes they bought the phone from Apple but they are Epic’s customers. No one wants Apple inserting themselves in the middle of the transaction. It is not necessary.

Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Post by grishka »

andy_ppp wrote: post #92

I’m so tired of this Apple tax, I think nobody would be this annoyed if Apple were saying 10% or something around that. 30% is more than most companies pay in tax on profits and this is a tax on revenue. I don’t think abusing your market position like some kind of protection racket should be allowed and if you don’t like it we’ll delete your App is quite frankly just as bad as the mafia smashing in shop windows. I do…

If only it was just about the money. The review process itself is beyond ridiculous sometimes, and sometimes has you remove things from your apps that you want and your users want, but Apple doesn't like.
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