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Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does seem they've mistaken the general sentiment towards government regulation in europe, which is typically, "more, better". Since we have so many consumer protections, much of how we end up engaging with the law around business practices is to our benefit . We're always aware we can raise bad business practices with an ombudsman (etc.). So our lived experience of government regulation is, in large part, positive…

Yes each time we see these cookie warnings, we admire a system that does so much to our benefit

I actually like them. It's eye opening when a a website wants to share your data with their 283 partners.

Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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This article feels fairly naive to me. One possibility is that the EU is doing what is written on the tin and executives and companies are foolishly misunderstanding.

Another possibility is that reality is more nuanced and that executives are playing edge cases where profitable, like they do in other countries and jurisdictions.

Instead of seeing the EU (or any other system) explicitly as what is described in founding documents or official meetings, there is another perspective.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_purpose_of_a_system_is_w...

Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does seem they've mistaken the general sentiment towards government regulation in europe, which is typically, "more, better". Since we have so many consumer protections, much of how we end up engaging with the law around business practices is to our benefit . We're always aware we can raise bad business practices with an ombudsman (etc.). So our lived experience of government regulation is, in large part, positive…

> the general sentiment towards government regulation in europe, which is typically, "more, better". I'd need to be convinced that's true. More regulation was a huge part of the successful campaign to get the UK out of the EU. It seems to get effusive praise in places like this, but in daily business, I generally hear the term GDPR spat. Is anyone expecting the incoming car regulation around beeps and bongs every tim…

> the successful campaign to get the UK out of the EU.

Depending on your definition of success of course.

Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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I understand where the author is coming from and It is important to have a realist perspective on what is driving European strategy or else we will be in denial. I think it's also important to recognize that the west are interconnected in many real ways beyond economic. The first and most clearly top of mind recently is the US defense umbrella which allows the EU to invest on other things instead of defense. Another…

> Everyone is self interested and when we see the Europeans talk about human rights on the one hand but then do big wine and dine trips in China to sell their luxury goods on the other hand you see clear evidence of that fact.

I think you're falling into another typical mistake, which is to think "Europeans" are one person.

In fact, it's very likely that the Europeans who talk about human rights don't travel to China and those who do "wine and dine trips in China" are different people who aren't very interested in human rights.

Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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I think the one place where the author is mistaken is in the incentives for these big tech companies.

I think they fully understand what the EU is about. If Apple can delay for a month or a year on giving the EU what they want it’s very unlikely that any fine is going to be a net negative for them. One more month of the App Store pulling in its Monopoly money is a huge amount of revenue for Apple. One more month of Facebook collecting private data is another month of higher profits.

The EU cellular companies benefitted from the removal of roaming charges but Apple won’t benefit from being forced to allow alternate app stores.

Corporations in Europe may benefit from their single market regulations but not many corporations in the EU are the size of Apple or Google and have the same profit incentives.

(I also think that equating Elon Musk’s bad management to companies like Apple and Google that have generally good management is something of a false equivalency)

Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Finally more people are figuring out that the EU is a net positive and not a net negative. Love my Europe.

I am European and hate all the regulations they’ve done so far. I know it’s a very rare pov, but for me all of these new legislations are terrible both for the consumers AND the small developers (which I am both). The ONLY people getting something are the somewhat big companies.

You hate (not dislike, actively hate) 861/2007, the European Small Claims procedure? and 1007/2011, you are really that opinionated on textile fibre names?

Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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The author is right but makes a similar mistake as the Americans, given he’s European. He does not clarify what market means. This can be perplexing and misunderstood by an American audience. Market in the US is such a different thing. American companies like TurboTax and Comcast are operating (by American standards) right within the market. In fact, probably “better” than everyone else. The market is a Wild West whe…

Agree. Nobody in the US expects anything to ever get fixed. Prime example: healthcare.

Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Are there any counterexamples to what the author presents as the inevitability of European open market regulations? > And we certainly don’t want more Elon Musks in the world. Boy, wouldn't it be horrible if we got more Tesla's, SpaceX's, Starlink's, and freedom of speech on social media in the world!

> freedom of speech on social media in the world! Did that get better? I though twitter fired a lot of lawyers who held up freedom of speech and now the company is folding against governments like Turkey. But I have mostly only read headlines. Would love to read more about it.

Twitter revealed illegal government censorship of US social media because Elon bought it and was transparent. That's what I'm referring to. I don't know much about Twitter's legal fights against authoritarian countries' censorship of free speech, but that doesn't seem like a particularly winnable battle anyway.

Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's 13 characters too long for the HN title limit.

This fits: > Facing reality, whether Apple or EU, is core requirement of good management

That is much better, the initial change focus on "Facing reality about the EU", rather than "Facing reality is a core requirement of good management".

Granted, the EU aside is also important.

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