In Dallas I hear the pop-pop-pop of gunfire virtually every night in my oakcliff neighborhood. Even when the Cowboys score a touchdown you hear gunfire. The police have basically given up.
Are people shooting blanks?
ShotSpotter: listening in on the neighborhood
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#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm curious if the author lives in the wealthier or non wealthy region. I do not own a gun. I currently live in a city and would be happy to learn they were installing shot spotter near me. It's maybe the least intrusive type of surveillance there is. It just says a signal if there is a loud noise in public. edit: previous statement not correct but leaving it up as it's been responded to
Shotspotter is trash. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/chicago-watchdog-harshly... https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1512138327205589004 (criminal defense attorney) https://boingboing.net/2022/04/12/shotspotter-wastes-million... I supported units with them while I was a contractor to the US Army, and the soldiers I talked to didn't think much of it either.
You’re probably thinking of Boomerang, not ShotSpotter if you’re talking about military use.
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#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's an interesting control system feedback complaint with a lot to it; * historically there's been a lot of "black crime" in the US due to the US police watching black neighbourhoods excessively and being absent elsewhere .. take this all the way back in time to Tulsa and before. * Subsequently there's been a lot of "black crime" as neighbourhoods have been destroyed by occasional mobs (Tulsa), frequent division…
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> Wealthy areas absolutely have a higher police per capita presence than even the most well funded low income neighborhood.
As a test, you can call the police from an address in a wealthy area, report a crime in progress, and do the same from an address in a poor area, and time how long it takes before they show up.
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#94I've experienced living in a neighborhood covered by shot spotter and hearing gun shots outside, and I think shot spotter is great. I want the cops to actually show up and arrest whoever is terrorizing everybody. Thank you very much
Chicago is letting the ShotSpotter contract expire instead renewing this year after the data revealed that it did not have any positive effect on crime reduction. https://www.yahoo.com/news/chicago-not-renew-shotspotter-con...
I think that's because our police force is incompetent though. Shotspotter may very well suck but if the police cant solve shit either way its not shotspotters fault. Murder has a 5% clearance rate here
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#95I think it's lame to limit the detection to just gun shots. Like the web has analytics, I think real life could have audiolytics. One example: I can collect all the data I want from my backyard and give a report to my neighbor about exactly how long and how loudly their dog has been barking. I can hear which birds have been in my backyard. I can... hear what a customer says about my product in-store and offer them co…
I would actually really love to live in a world where I can have a reasonable expectation of privacy when going about my day. A personal bird recorder is fine, but I absolutely would not want a networked system of sensitive microphones available for unlimited data gathering spread across my town. The prevalence of Ring cameras already makes some neighborhoods havens of surveillance, I’d rather we not expand things like that.
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#96I had no idea ShotSpotter was recording conversations, always assumed the nature of analyzing for a sound signature would be throwing much of the data away immediately
> assumed the nature of analyzing for a sound signature would be throwing much of the data away immediately
(INACCURATE, SEE EDIT) It does. The "conversations recorded by ShotSpotter sensors" were a few seconds before/after the shooting, and consisted of people saying things like "[shooter's name] Why are you going to [shoot] me like that, [shooter's name]"? [1]
[1] 'The recording of the second shot also captured the voice of Tyrone Lyles, apparently addressing the person who shot him: "Ar, Ar, why are you going to do me like that, Ar."' https://casetext.com/case/people-v-johnson-5116
edit: I was wrong. Apparently "the detectors keep hours or days of continuous audio": https://www.aclu.org/news/privacy-technology/shotspotter-ceo...
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#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
Shotspotter is trash. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/chicago-watchdog-harshly... https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1512138327205589004 (criminal defense attorney) https://boingboing.net/2022/04/12/shotspotter-wastes-million... I supported units with them while I was a contractor to the US Army, and the soldiers I talked to didn't think much of it either.
You’re probably thinking of Boomerang, not ShotSpotter if you’re talking about military use.
Maybe? I thought it was the same system of microphones just mounted on a vehicle, maybe it was different.
Anyway, they found it unhelpful. "Wouldn't even notice our own gun shots" and stuff like that.
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#98What are the potential downsides to police oversight? > But, if asked, they provide a form letter written by ShotSpotter. Their contract prohibits the disclosure of any actual data. A potentially dystopian surveillance apparatus is installed citywide, and the police can't discuss about it's efficiency because the company that sold it to them won't let them?
The police know what’s good for them. They have extraordinary powers and the more they can keep the public in the dark about what they do, the more freedom they have to act with impunity.
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#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
It sounds like shotspotters are likely to be near where shots are; and that the wealthier you are the more likely you’d NOT want to be where the shots are.
> and that the wealthier you are the more likely you’d NOT want to be where the shots are. The way this is phrased sounds like “the poorer you are, the more likely you would want to be where the shots are”. Which is obviously false.
One person wants to be where the shot is (he pulled the trigger) but yeah, most of the poor people would rather be away but lack the ability.
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Big cities are pretty safe. For instance you more likely to be a victim of a crime in rural northern Wisconsin, like Barron County, than you are in Milwaukee. Don't let your narrative be shaped by stats that aren't proportional.
People say this but I'm skeptical. I regularly leave valuables in my car. My windows have never been broken. I've never had anything stolen. Nor do I know anyone who has. All the stores have free-to-use, unlocked public bathrooms. All the product is available on the shelf for anyone to grab. When I go on travel to more urban locations, that's not what I see. Unfortunately the urban blight is creeping closer every yea…
City centers have far, far more theft crime objectively from a dollar value perspective. The vast majority of this crime comes from two sources: employers and police. This is widely documented fact.