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Hey HN, the engineering team at Bluesky is especially excited to get to this point! We're happy to help answer questions and help anyone trying to run their own PDS host. Things should work pretty well for self-hosters right now, but we're standing by to help if there are any problems. Technical details and the installer are in the GitHub repo https://github.com/bluesky-social/pds And we're on Discord available to he…
I switched to Bluesky but then moved back to twitter. I'm glad that they are trying to compete with Twitter (Twitter is a conservative cesspool), but all of my non-technical friends have stayed on Twitter. So, I end up going where they are. I think the reason my friends did not join Bluesky despite me inviting them is that it just isn't as good of a product as Twitter. You can't post videos or DM. I am not a tech exe…
I think they nailed every Mastodon criticism that I've heard floating around and addressed it, however I'm especially curious to learn about the moderation layer in-depth.
I'm kind of tired of social networks in general, but this is attractive to me just because of that. I like Mastodon, but the underlying ActivityPub protocol was rather underwhelming.
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Unfortunately they declared they didn't have moderation bandwidth to maintain it as an official channel, and then apparently moved to Discord :(
I'm a little confused by this, how did switching to Discord reduce the load on their moderators?
Does that mean after Bluesky reaches critical mass, it'll turn the federation off, like Google Chat killing its XMPP federation? For clarity: I'd love to see this comment and say "I was wrong" 5 or 10 years later.
… and if not, what the heck is the business model here?
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I would agree that if that were "the business model" instead of "a thing that generates some revenue," it would be laughable. However, nobody, including BlueSky, believes that this is solely enough to power the business. I agree that a healthy Bluesky PBLLC is a good thing, and hope they manage to pull it off. Time will tell.
Well hopefully they take it more seriously. Because based on them raising $8m in a seed round middle of last year they aren't going to have much time to decide and implement a strategy before they will need to start thinking about raising a Series A. Or maybe Jack does become a bigger investor. Either way I think it's insane to prematurely rule out advertising.
I also don't believe (and again, don't work there, just a huge fan, so maybe this is wrong) I'm not sure that the revenue was the reason for shipping this feature. It's best thought of as an accessibility feature, for folks who do not know what a "DNS record" is and have never hosted a domain. Without this, more technical users get something special that non-technical users do not: a nicer username. The money is just a side effect of the fact that purchasing a domain name already requires money, and so a partnership with a revenue split just makes sense.
> Either way I think it's insane to prematurely rule out advertising.
I hear you in an abstract "that's the way you make money in this space" sense, but I also think it's a smart reaction to the public sentiment around this stuff. People do not like advertising. It is a differentiator. We'll see if it works out for them or not.
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Being jaded is understandable, but because this critique is generic, it is applicable to literally anything and everything. I don't see how you can ever get something that's considered good if you always assume it will turn into something bad regardless of its current stance.
Thats easy, you don't have a structure made with a single large actor capable of changing the rules of the game mid flight. You get something good system by sharing power, not by once again falling for "trust us bro." You get it by understanding power imbalances and avoiding them the same way my dog avoids objects with large amounts of potential energy, because they're predictably dangerous.
I switched to Bluesky but then moved back to twitter. I'm glad that they are trying to compete with Twitter (Twitter is a conservative cesspool), but all of my non-technical friends have stayed on Twitter. So, I end up going where they are. I think the reason my friends did not join Bluesky despite me inviting them is that it just isn't as good of a product as Twitter. You can't post videos or DM. I am not a tech exe…
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That specific scenario is impossible, in my understanding, because Jack does not have an ownership stake in the company. This release, of federation, is in my mind a major answer to the real question you're asking, which is the same but with "the employees" instead of "Jack," as they have the equity stake. Once things are federated, other folks gain power over the protocol, by virtue of usage. If Bluesky PBLLC starts…
Right I didn't mean to get into the business aspect, but essentially "what prevents someone from undoing this for money." Thanks for the detail.
It will quickly become a mess in the real world.
People will run pods on cheapest VPS and they will get hacked, run out of money, get bored, go broke etc.
Imagine as fractions of content goes missing for a while or is just deleted.
One guy runs a small pod with some people, kills it, 60.000 messages gone. How does that impact interconnected discussions?
If I own my own data. (good), and I can remove my data if I want (good). Then what happened to a BlueSky conversation I was having with 40 other people? some of whom belong to other pods.
Do the conversations remain with just blank lines where I used to be?
If not, if the content remains stored somehow then I dont own my data and I cant remove it?