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Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by f6v »

willsmith72 wrote: post #37
WatchDog wrote: post #21

Google seem to be more concerned about generating images of racially diverse Nazis rather than about issues of not being able to generate white people.

tbh i think it's less a political issue than a technical/product management one what does a "board member" look like? probably you can benefit by offering more than 50 year old white man in suit. if that's what an ai trained on all human knowledge thinks, maybe we can do some adjustment what does a samurai warrior look like? probably is a little more race-related

I agree, but this requires reasoning, the way you did it. Is this within the model capability? If not, there’re two routes. First one: make inference based on real data, then most board will be male and white. Second: hard-core rules based on your social justice views. I think the second is worse than the first one.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by troupo »

tiznow wrote: post #56

The outcry on this issue has caused me to believe American society is too far divided. Full disclosure, I'm not white. But across a few social media/discussion platforms I more or less saw the same people who cry out about AI daily turn this issue into a tee to sledge "fragile white people" and "techbros". Meanwhile, the aforementioned groups correctly pointed out that Gemini's image generation takes its cues from an…

Another problem is that the US spills its own problems and "solutions" onto the world as if the one true set of problems and solutions.

E.g. at the height of the BLM movement there were BLM protests and marches in Sweden. 20% of Swedish population is foreign-born, and yet there are no such marches and protests about any of the ethnicities in Sweden (many of which face similar problems). Why? Because the US culture, and problems, and messaging has supplanted or is supplanting most of the world's

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by Mountain_Skies »

the_third_wave wrote: post #31
lwansbrough wrote: post #3

Issue appears to be that the uncensored model too closely reflects reality with all its troubling details such as history.

Black vikings do not model reality. Asking for 'an Irish person' produces a Leprechaun. Defending racism when it concerns racism against white people is just as bad as defending it when it concerns any other group.

Quite a hefty percentage of the people responsible for the current day's obsession with identity issues openly state racism against white people is impossible. This has been part of their belief system for decades, probably heard on a widescale for the first time during an episode of season one of 'The Real World' in 1992 but favored in academia for much longer than that.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by fvdessen »

What I find baffling as well is how casually people use 'whiteness' as if it was an intellectually valid concept. What does one expect to receive when asking for a picture of a white women ? A Swedish blonde ? Irish red-head ? A French brunette ? A Southern Italian ? A Lebanese ? An Irianian ? A Berber ? A Morrocan ? A Russian ? A Palestinian, A Greek, A Turk, An Arab ? Can anyone tell who of those is white or not and also tell all these people apart ? What is the use of a concept that puts the Irish and the Greek in the same basket but excludes a Lebanese ?

'White' is a term that is so loaded with prejudice and so varied across cultures that i'm not surprised that an AI used internationally would refuse to touch it with a 10 foot pole.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by troupo »

dmezzetti wrote: post #84

This is a good reminder on the importance of open models and ensuring everyone has the ability to build/fine-tune their own.

This is also why the AI industry hates upcoming regulations like EU's AI act which explicitly require companies to document their models and training sets.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by ctrw »

oplaadpunt wrote: post #62
jack_riminton wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right we should ban images of history altogether. Infact I think we should ban written accounts too. We should go back to the oral historic tradition of the ancient Greeks

He did not say he wanted to ban images, that is an exaggeration. I see the danger as polluting the historical record with fake images (even as memes/jokes), and spreading wrong preconceptions now backed by real-looking images. This is all under the assumptions there are no bad actors, which makes it even worse. I would say; don't ban it, but you morally just shouldn't do it.

The real danger is that this anti-racism starts a justified round of new racism.

By lowering standards for black doctors do you think anyone in their right mind would pick black doctors? No I want the fat old jew. I know no one put him in the hospital to fill out a quota.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by dang »

fweimer wrote: post #6

Probably a better story (not paywalled, maybe the original source): https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/21/24079371/google-ai-gemini... Also related: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39465301

OK, we've changed the URL to that from https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-02-22/google-to... so people can read it. Thanks!
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