91–100 of 136 posts
Relevant HN comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18463181 Apparently their software development processes are terrible.
There's not going to much meaningful pushback on this comment because any (ex-)ASML employee is going to be super hesitant to share anything. So feel free to think what you want.
Relevant HN comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18463181 Apparently their software development processes are terrible.
I've lived in NL for a while, few years, changed few companies, it's a place where processes are more important than actual code quality, where people stay in the same job for 10-15 years and everything below that is seen as a bad thing, people is hired for the culture primarily, having awareness of software principles is really worthless. I ran away as the last company I interviewed with, after solving a coding puzz…
I don't care about parties either but if I'm going to have to work with you I need to know you fit in a little, creating software is collaborative. In real life, in real companies you are not solving leetcode problems all the time - so why hire based on that? Person A is super intelligent but abrasive and person B is half as smart but super easy to work with. 100% of the time I pick person B.
> having awareness of software principles is really worthless
This is nonsense, you are already expected to know this
> I've seen files with 13k lines of if/else/switch, how do you test that shit .-.
I've seen those too, but don't pretend that's unique to a specific country. There are shitty software developers everywhere.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's not going to much meaningful pushback on this comment because any (ex-)ASML employee is going to be super hesitant to share anything. So feel free to think what you want.
Former employee of an ASML contractor and the software is terrible. Here, you have it.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why do you need the actual production machine for unit tests? Why can't you build a SW simulator for them and run unit tests on them? I used to work in automotive and all unit tests didn't require the finished car, just the SW. Nasa doesn't hava another Voyager probe in their lab floating around in zero gravity to run unit tests on before sending the SW patches, they use simulators. For calibration you do need the fi…
You're close. Asml doesn't test on one machine only.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've lived in NL for a while, few years, changed few companies, it's a place where processes are more important than actual code quality, where people stay in the same job for 10-15 years and everything below that is seen as a bad thing, people is hired for the culture primarily, having awareness of software principles is really worthless. I ran away as the last company I interviewed with, after solving a coding puzz…
I'm going to defend this method of hiring a little bit. To me, having at least a bachelor of IT already proves you have software engineering skills. The coding tests are just a quick check if you haven't lied or anything. The first month is trial basis anyway (both ways) so if the candidate is not on-par technically it's a quick goodbye. I don't care about parties either but if I'm going to have to work with you I ne…
My wife for example is a doctor. They have cabinets of 4 GP, 1 of them as we found out is a proper sociopath with very unstable personality when things are not perfect. He is driving whole cabinet which employs 10 people to the ground very effectively, wife is running away and hoping it will collapse only after she got out legally. If it wasn't for psycho moves of this guy that cabinet would thrive. While he is consistently being reported as a great doctor by his patients. She is moving into another cabinet where head of it understood it extremely well, and is super picky about people from personality perspective.
People here on HN love stories about experts saving the world, they as experts see themselves in that position. In real life, thats hardly ever the case, most long term problems come from people and not how you solve technical challenges. Once you covered this by far the most important aspect, then of course professional excellence is next step. Never make the mistake of changing the order of those 2, ever.
Relevant HN comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18463181 Apparently their software development processes are terrible.
EDIT: there’s a commenter named hcfman here in the thread who works at ASML and says that my comment is garbage (which I take to mean that it’s way outdated). Consider updating your impression accordingly, I see no reason to doubt what they’re saying. Last I checked ASML really did want to improve the software situation, looks like they did.
Relevant HN comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18463181 Apparently their software development processes are terrible.
I've lived in NL for a while, few years, changed few companies, it's a place where processes are more important than actual code quality, where people stay in the same job for 10-15 years and everything below that is seen as a bad thing, people is hired for the culture primarily, having awareness of software principles is really worthless. I ran away as the last company I interviewed with, after solving a coding puzz…
Relevant HN comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18463181 Apparently their software development processes are terrible.
Tbc, based on the comment that looks to be driven almost completely by the fact that they are making a tiny number of incredibly expensive bespoke machines, so they can't just keep extra machines lying around to do unit tests with (both because each machine is expensive, and because the results wouldn't necessarily generalize to other machines). So it sounds like a constraint of the field, not bad choices.
It’s really unique for such a competent machine builder to not have this, and it’s 100% due to their excellence being in physics and mechanical engineering, a culture of treating software as an afterthought for too long. Note, I don't think ASML still treats software as an afterthought, but they did for a long enough to make it really hard to catch up.