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The adult consequences of being bullied in childhood

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Re: The adult consequences of being bullied in childhood

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I was bullied pretty incessantly 12 - 16. It wasn't the worst, but it went on a long time. It had two effects on my life. My self confidence and self image were both very low for a long time - for example I was asked about by a girl and my response was just "why would you want anything to do with me". It also made me a bit of a bully myself during and afterwards. I'm glad I was able to think that through and stop it happening. I'm in my 40s now, these kind of thoughts still catch me out.

I've got my own kids now and we homeschool. Which is not really because of my own experience at school but still, friends with kids tell of the antics at school and I'm glad mine aren't involved in either side of those stories.

Re: The adult consequences of being bullied in childhood

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Not bullied in school since I could usually hold my own, but bullied by my father throughout my life. Being in a country where parental corporal punishment is normal, even encouraged, I was hit for minor to major (getting bad marks, staying out late to play with friends) events all throughout my life till I could save up enough to move out when I was 18. It took me my entire college life to get over the feeling of dr…

tbh two different people gain two different lessons being raised this way. your experience is unique. others have went to the military and/or had tough dads and it made them completely better as a person. "bullying" is a natural part of human life. its always up to the person to be courageous and get through. Your personal perspective is apart of current societies views on it...plus your own. there are kids who had n…

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Re: The adult consequences of being bullied in childhood

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

tbh two different people gain two different lessons being raised this way. your experience is unique. others have went to the military and/or had tough dads and it made them completely better as a person. "bullying" is a natural part of human life. its always up to the person to be courageous and get through. Your personal perspective is apart of current societies views on it...plus your own. there are kids who had n…

Absence of bullying doesn't mean absence of discipline. In no situation bullying is a good thing. Bullying is devastating and an unhealthy way of teaching things. You comment is basically saying "bullying didn't work on you because you were too weak". That's borderline victim shaming and completely insensitive. Courage has nothing to do with coping with bullying, and you should not need courage for daily interactions…

> Absence of bullying doesn't mean absence of discipline.

If you're caught and punished immediately every single time you do X, you develop the internal discipline to avoid doing X almost instantly. A mild punishment is ample in this case - for many children saying "you know that isn't right" is sufficient.

If you're caught only 10% of the time you do X, whether the punishment is mild or severe, the lesson is "don't get caught". No severity of punishment is a deterrent to those who do not believe they will be caught.

Essentially, if kids aren't being called out for misbehavior reliably, it doesn't matter how severe the punishment is (because kids have poor judgement & don't think they'll be caught _this_ time). If they _are_ being called out for misbehavior reliably, they know they aren't going to get away with it - so the punishment only needs to be unpleasant enough to make a poor trade for whatever advantages the behavior has.

Further, parents occasionally mis-identify the situation and kids get falsely accused (when perhaps a sibling actually did it). A severe punishment undermines parental authority in a way that a "I'm disappointed that this happened" conversation does not.

I'd argue that this makes what's typically referred to as "parental bullying" the opposite of effective discipline training. Severe punishments handed out haphazardly teach you not to be identified as a culprit.

Re: The adult consequences of being bullied in childhood

#94
Sounds like maybe they mixed up cause and effect. If you have awful characteristics that would affect you otherwise in life, you might be made fun of in school for those characteristics. But that bullying didn't cause you to have the characteristics. It's just something that comes with it. Obviously nobody should be bullied. But is it really the main reason why these kids struggled in life?

Re: The adult consequences of being bullied in childhood

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I was bullied, mainly when I was between 10 and 11. This was in the 80's. I recall being both verbally and physically attacked by large groups of other students. My teachers didn't believe me so I couldn't turn to them. In one of the events 8 kids chased me several miles through neighborhoods and fields. Eventually they caught and surrounded me in a front yard. Luckily, an older woman opened her door and had me step…

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Re: The adult consequences of being bullied in childhood

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Not bullied in school since I could usually hold my own, but bullied by my father throughout my life. Being in a country where parental corporal punishment is normal, even encouraged, I was hit for minor to major (getting bad marks, staying out late to play with friends) events all throughout my life till I could save up enough to move out when I was 18. It took me my entire college life to get over the feeling of dr…

i also experienced bullying from a parental figure and quickly enter fight or flight mode as a result, which for me almost always leans towards fight. unfortunately for me that does not work well at all in office environments where you're supposed to be excessively fake and friendly and rely on passive aggression.

in the past i've ended up snapping at coworkers and saying stuff like "either tell me what your problem is or keep your bitchy comments to yourself" which obviously makes me the aggressor in the eyes of management. of course by the time i go back to "normal mode" and think about whether it's better to bite my tongue rather than say anything, i've already said it.

Re: The adult consequences of being bullied in childhood

#97
I was bullied between 6 and 16. I got hit, mocked, ignored, etc. I felt like I did not exist apart in my head.

My father was also very violent and I was scared shitless when he was angry. And he was always angry at something or someone. He tried to strangle my mom multiple times, hit me, broke windows, yelled like a madman...

It turned me into a ghost, trying to be invisible while I hated not being "seen".

I was crazy shy, couldn't look at people for long, felt bad whenever I saw they saw me. My safe place was the Web. It saved my life, and helped me find (or created??) my passion.

It took me a good 20-25 years to evolve and start daring to live more the way I wanted. Now I'm 40, it's all far behind, but I still get sad from time to time, thinking about all that crap. Yet, I'm thankful, because it turned me into someone with a lot of inner calm, patience, empathy, and willingness to make people around me happier. I have very few deep relationships, but I value those a lot, and I don't need any more.

Empathy, calm and patience are powerful and valuable skills to have in many life situations.

Re: The adult consequences of being bullied in childhood

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Not bullied in school since I could usually hold my own, but bullied by my father throughout my life. Being in a country where parental corporal punishment is normal, even encouraged, I was hit for minor to major (getting bad marks, staying out late to play with friends) events all throughout my life till I could save up enough to move out when I was 18. It took me my entire college life to get over the feeling of dr…

tbh two different people gain two different lessons being raised this way. your experience is unique. others have went to the military and/or had tough dads and it made them completely better as a person. "bullying" is a natural part of human life. its always up to the person to be courageous and get through. Your personal perspective is apart of current societies views on it...plus your own. there are kids who had n…

i think you're getting discipline and bullying confused, they're very different things. discipline is of course necessary, but going through life walking on eggshells because you don't know exactly what is going to set your dad off but you know it's coming for one reason or another because he's clearly in a bad mood is not having a "tough dad", and does not make anybody better as a person.

in order to hold this opinion, you either have to not actually know what it's like to experience parental bullying, or you have to be in complete denial.

Re: The adult consequences of being bullied in childhood

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There's the issue of correlation vs causation here. There is no controlled experiment where children are randomly assigned to control or test group and those in the test group are bullied (that would be unethical). It's plausible there are many root factors that contribute both to negative life outcomes, and also increase the chance of being bullied. E.g. being disabled, or autistic, or even just ugly. That would cau…

This is the obvious issue. It's reasonable to assume that kids whom are bullied have socially undesirable qualities vis-a-vis kids who are not bullied. Kids with socially undesirable qualities are obviously more likely to become adults with socially undesirable qualities. There's no reason to think those people wouldn't perform worse when they are literally selected for negative qualities.

You do realize that it's the bullies who have "socially undesirable qualities", right?

Re: The adult consequences of being bullied in childhood

#100
> We conclude that being bullied in childhood creates a lifetime of misery.

Playing devil's advocate here in case someone has a clearer causation-not-correlation story: what could we look at to determine whether bullying causes a lifetime of misery, or whether 7 and 11 year old bullies are deliberately picking on those they think are just beginning their lifetimes of misery?

(reading Orwell's Such, Such Were the Joys about his english private school days gave me great insight into his "the cruelty is the point" world of 1984)

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