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Mozilla downsizes as it refocuses on Firefox and AI

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Re: Mozilla downsizes as it refocuses on Firefox and AI

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The new CEO, Laura Chambers, is an MBA and a former McKinsey consultant ([1]). I would not hold my breath about the future of Firefox. 1. https://www.linkedin.com/in/chamberslaura/details/experience...

I guess that's a wrap then :( Very sad to hear this.

Re: Mozilla downsizes as it refocuses on Firefox and AI

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post #53
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The new CEO, Laura Chambers, is an MBA and a former McKinsey consultant ([1]). I would not hold my breath about the future of Firefox. 1. https://www.linkedin.com/in/chamberslaura/details/experience...

Maybe time to fork Firefox.

Desktop linux market share is below 2% yet people aren't talking about it being on its last legs like with Firefox. How does Firefox's 3.5% market share prevent people from using it ? Is the 180,000,000 number of monthly active users simply too low ?

Re: Mozilla downsizes as it refocuses on Firefox and AI

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And then convince ~200 million people to use your browser so you can get the same bare bones level of funding via search deals Mozilla is having trouble sustaining on. Things do get in a progressively easier feedback loop after that though. I almost wonder if the Edge/Brave approach is the smarter approach. Build something on top of Chromium, trading full independence for the ability to focus on differentiation, and…

Well, what if you want to.. lets say, keep Manifest V2 compatibility in Chromium? Judging by the compile times, Chromium is one of the largest open source projects out there. Maintaining a backport is going to be a nontrivial effort because your company isn't Google and can't just throw developer hours at the problem.

The amount of work is plenty true but the alternative (on the assumption you're assuming Firefox is failing and needs to be forked or replaced) is maintaining an entire browser and its Manifest V2 instance instead of maintaining a separate back port of manifest v2. Not really much better.

Re: Mozilla downsizes as it refocuses on Firefox and AI

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And then convince ~200 million people to use your browser so you can get the same bare bones level of funding via search deals Mozilla is having trouble sustaining on. Things do get in a progressively easier feedback loop after that though. I almost wonder if the Edge/Brave approach is the smarter approach. Build something on top of Chromium, trading full independence for the ability to focus on differentiation, and…

But building something on top of Chromium defeats the entire appeal of a replacement for Firefox, which is to continue the fight against the Blink/V8 monoculture.

Certainly to some, to others it's just about having a browser which doesn't spy on you, use non-free components, or try to use all of your data for ads. Things are a bit different than the original I.E. battle where a monoculture around a closed source limited platform engine existed and monoculture isn't a neat box for the entire story anymore, especially if you're doing this because you think Mozilla is imminently failing because they can't find the money to maintain a separate engine to user's expectations.

Re: Mozilla downsizes as it refocuses on Firefox and AI

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post #92
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Maybe time to fork Firefox.

Desktop linux market share is below 2% yet people aren't talking about it being on its last legs like with Firefox. How does Firefox's 3.5% market share prevent people from using it ? Is the 180,000,000 number of monthly active users simply too low ?

wow you are right, they have 3,5%. I thought they had like 25-30%. Safari had 18% apparently, I know 0 people who use Safari

Re: Mozilla downsizes as it refocuses on Firefox and AI

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Backing off of VPN, Relay and Monitor sounds like bad news. They are the Mozilla's only source of income if the Google search deal goes away. Mozilla's financial statements never detailed how much money they were spending on their different segments, so perhaps those projects weren't generating profit, and thus weren't worth keeping even though they brought in revenue. I can certainly see how it would be hard to comp…

I love firefox but I'd never support those initiatives. If I want a VPN I'll just get the full mullvad (in fact I did). The relay is not what I want, I'd want the same thing for web (similar to iCloud private relay for web). Mozilla was working on that but killed it and it was only ever US only so I couldn't use it anyway.

Just let me pay for sync, or just let me donate to the firefox project directly (not the foundation!)

But really their revenue generating projects are very poorly suggested, there's nothing there i would actually want.

Re: Mozilla downsizes as it refocuses on Firefox and AI

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Not yet, at least.

I was on a call this morning where a team had decided to break it to their leadership that genai was not the answer they thought it was going to be. I bet there's going to be a lot of that this year.

That certainly wasn't Microsoft, they're still full on the "CoPilot" hype train, launching a confusing spectrum of different services all under the same name and all before they're actually ready

Re: Mozilla downsizes as it refocuses on Firefox and AI

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You shouldn’t donate. The donations don’t go to MoCo which is the for profit subsidiary of Mozilla Foundation under which FF is developed. All the donations go to MoFo, where they barely covered Mitchell’s salary and what was left went to her pet political projects. People are pretty unaware/misled about how Mozilla is structured/funded. The only way you can contribute to FF directly is to keep and use Google as the…

These truths are, in my opinion, a great tragedy. I'd absolutely pay for Firefox if I could, but I can't. > The only way you can contribute to FF directly is to keep and use Google as the default search engine. Which is a much greater cost than I'm willing to pay.

Yes exactly, it's so bad that we can't just donate.

I donate monthly to KDE and I would to firefox.

And no I absolutely won't keep Google

Re: Mozilla downsizes as it refocuses on Firefox and AI

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Yikes, that says Mozilla Social is shutting down. Wasn't that just a huge focus 6 months ago?

I wouldn't say it was huge. It sounded more like an experiment.

Yeah but nothing that would cost money anyway as it's just Mastodon

Re: Mozilla downsizes as it refocuses on Firefox and AI

#100
post #4

Could someone explain how does rising interest rates and the current economic environment result in a _nonprofit_ organization needing to layoff staff?

The part that develops firefox is for profit. Mostly for Mitchell Baker's personal profit :) And i dont yet see that changing since she left
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