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For every weary graybeard there is a bright-eyed & bushy-tailed young hacker eager to "stick it to the man" while also lacking in the experience of having been burned which forms the foundation of the cynicism from whence the weariness comes.
This isn’t a failure though. Getting bought out by a larger company is literally the aim of most startups
Acquihire and product shutdown.
https://skiff.com/data-migration I’m really upset about this, I was about to go all in on Skiff after being burnt by ProtonMail. Glad I didn’t. Feel really bad for those who did.
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makes me wonder if "users don't care about privacy" is more true than i thought
Could also be that privacy-conscious users are not easy to make money from with a free service. Ten gigs of email is a lot of email. I wonder what the percentage of paying users was.
Ah stink. Time to move then. Can anyone recommend a privacy focused email provider that can run free or cheap custom domains?
I know these because I have spent time looking the past week for getting off Outlook.com. I've basically settled on Runbox.com as it seems to be the most established and stable.
Why would Notion shut down the email provider product? I understand sunsetting drive and rolling pages and calendar into Notion and Cron, respectively. But it would be pretty awesome if Notion had an email service. There’s nothing out there that’s as easy as Google Workspace (not even Proton’s suite—I use it personally) and I’d use Notion-plus-Skiff-and-Cron over Google Workspace any day. Huge miss…
Running mail is hard. Running mail is hard. Running mail is hard. Candidly, the ability to profit off of email as a service is probably not a challenge that many businesses are up to. Deliverability is a massive pain in the ass. Unless you have the team and are well established, starting up or re-badging a mail service would be a nightmare. Good email is expensive for a (bad) reason.
Just a reminder that notion is not end to end encrypted. Any one at notion can read your notes.
Yeah. But I guess that might change. They maybe trying to implement end-to-end encryption with the new talent pool.
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Running mail is hard. Running mail is hard. Running mail is hard. Candidly, the ability to profit off of email as a service is probably not a challenge that many businesses are up to. Deliverability is a massive pain in the ass. Unless you have the team and are well established, starting up or re-badging a mail service would be a nightmare. Good email is expensive for a (bad) reason.
Running mail isn't hard if you know a few bits about how things work. As a matter of fact, if correctly set, it can be left running for years without significant time investment. But I'm getting the impression that anything that can't be set in 2 clicks is hard for a particular HN crowd.
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This isn’t a failure though. Getting bought out by a larger company is literally the aim of most startups
I hope you're wrong, but perhaps you're not and instead of "make something useful and/or new for people" startups just want to make something threatening enough to be destroyed or at best scraped for parts by a larger company so long as they get a payout.
Getting bought out or IPO'ing on stock market are generally best options, especially with the uncertainty of the next 10 years, which then allows you to be able to essentially stop working for a period of time.
Otherwise the game is you can fall behind developing features, where heavily funded startups simply copy everything you've spent years designing, catching up by cutting their time and effort down since feature sets have already been curated down to a model that works, and you either find a way to survive or competitors take your clients.
Those heavily funded startups who can always outcompete what a stable and long-term business will be willing or able to pay - subsidized by the VC industrial complex, as an additional way to kill competition - on the micro level but also on the macro level - making VC funded companies more likely to succeed overall; even if it's sucking talent away from good or more worthwhile efforts - and also at the expense of the general population, as the VC industrial complex also requires higher fees to be charged; it's inflammatory-inflationary.
There's also the acquihire model in regards to consolidation, which overall doesn't seem good for the consumer but can give a good payout.
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FYI I didn't log into my tuta account for a while and they deleted it completely. No way I can recover the data and personal connections I made using it. Also Discord was like "yeah you may have your Discord credentials, but we need you to check your email before you can log in again anyway." So I lost my Discord account, too. But I started using this new thing called Skiff and . . . Oh.
had the same thing happen to me. never going back to tuta.
I did created an account just few months ago with the intention to use it on few remaining sites where I was registered under local mail service that got filled with ads since takeover (which also bring 2FA but you have to use a dedicated app and nothing else works). Well, what a pity - another round for tuta, proton or seznam. They had this "rewards" system a'la dropbox where you could get additional space.