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Re: HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

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Post by ceejayoz »

iraqmtpizza wrote: post #88
ceejayoz wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Child rape is a situation where it shouldn't matter how many people approve. If your twelve year old wants to have sex, and you with your "parents' rights" endorse that choice, you should go to jail . Because your right as a parent to make decisions is in conflict with the right of the child not to be subject to statutory rape. The poster upthread asserts a similar conflict between the rights of the parent to make de…

Actually you make a good point. Nobody should be penetrating children, regardless of what the parents think — kids can get irreversible medical procedures when they turn 18.

Vaccination being irreversible, that's pretty clearly in conflict with the child's right not to die horribly of preventable diseases like polio.

As a parent, you get to make all sorts of decisions. As with all other rights, it's still not unlimited. Certain decisions are not solely yours; certain decisions aren't ever yours.

Re: HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

smeej wrote: post #55
98codes wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Talk to your doctor, be honest about your sexual history and current situation. It made sense for me to get the vaccine, but may not make sense for all, or at least not make sense enough to be approved by your insurance.

A note about current sexual situation too: This first came out when I was in college. My (female) roommate wanted to get it immediately, even though she was very open about only having been with the man she was seeing at the time. When I asked her about it, since it seemed like her risk of contracting HPV would be very low, she mentioned she was doing it to mitigate the risks she faced as a woman who was barely 5 fee…

She could also get HPV if the man she was "seeing" at the time was seeing more people than just her (or had seen, ever).

Re: HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

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Post by volkl48 »

chimeracoder wrote: post #56
pazimzadeh wrote: post #39

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I don't understand why they recommend against it. I guess the monetary costs don't outweigh the benefits, but that's only if you care more about saving money than potentially preventing cancer. It's not like the vaccine going to hurt you. But the HPV vaccine is not particularly cheap, so it sounds like the insurance companies have lobbied against it or something. In my opinion men should also be vaccinated for it sin…

> I don't understand why they recommend against it. I guess the monetary costs don't outweigh the benefits, but that's only if you care more about saving money than potentially preventing cancer. It's not like the vaccine going to hurt you. All vaccines have a nonzero risk of adverse outcomes. That can be as simple as the risk of physical injury due to incorrect administration of the needle. That's weighed against th…

Noted in my other comment, but mentioned here as well:

- Exposure to a strain is not the same as exposure to all strains. Few are likely to have been infected with all of the strains that the vaccine protects against, and infection by multiple strains is not a rare event.

- There's research being done on if the vaccine can reduce symptoms to people who already have HPV. Early results seem promising. Certainly nothing large enough for the CDC to be making recommendations on yet (that I know of/could find from a quick search), but worth noting - there may well turn out to be a significant benefit to the vaccine even after exposure, we just seem to be relatively early in that research.

- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6541142/

- https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38068369/

Re: HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

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Post by kstrauser »

logicchains wrote: post #42
ericmcer wrote: post #17

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Why did she believe that? I like to believe are politicians aren’t completely insane so what pseudo/bad whatever studies led her to believe vaccines cause mental retardation?

Even one of the original developers of the vaccine questioned the benefits: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gardasil-researcher-speaks-out/ . In VAERS post-market data there are more issues associated with Gardasil than any other vaccine prior to the covid vaccines. You just don't hear about it because pharmaceutical companies spend an incredible amount of money on advertisement and lobbying.

How do the adverse reaction rates compare to the negative effects of the HPV that it prevents? Without those numbers, your claim is unhelpful.

For instance, HPV causes about 37,000 cases of cancer each year: https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/hpv/statistics/cases.htm

That works out to about 1 in 9,000 Americans. What are the rates of bad reactions to Gardasil that are worse than cancer? According to the CDC, at https://www.cdc.gov/hpv/hcp/vaccine-safety-data.html,

"Approximately 28 million doses of Gardasil 9 distributed in the United States; 7,244 reports of adverse events (AEs); 97% of AEs classified as non-serious and 3% classified as serious"

3% of 7,244 is 217. 28,000,000 / 217 is one serious adverse reaction per 129,000 recipients, or 1/14th as common as HPV-related cancer.

In other words, if you care about your health, you're 14x better off getting Gardasil than waiting to see if you get cancer from having HPV.

Re: HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

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Post by salad-tycoon »

ceejayoz wrote: post #69
logicchains wrote: post #64

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How do you know it's effective medical treatment when the industry spends tens of billions of dollars on advertising and lobbying to convince you it's an effective treatment and suppress any negative press on it?

I look around and don't see measles cases anywhere.

Funny, Apple started pushing stories to me that MEASELS IS EVERYWHERE now, get vaccinated. The advertising fund is a concern. I’m all for trust of pharmaceutical companies but a lot needs to change first.

Re: HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

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Post by iraqmtpizza »

ceejayoz wrote: post #91
iraqmtpizza wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually you make a good point. Nobody should be penetrating children, regardless of what the parents think — kids can get irreversible medical procedures when they turn 18.

Vaccination being irreversible, that's pretty clearly in conflict with the child's right not to die horribly of preventable diseases like polio. As a parent, you get to make all sorts of decisions. As with all other rights, it's still not unlimited. Certain decisions are not solely yours; certain decisions aren't ever yours.

The right not to die of disease (were it to exist) would be a statutory right and not a fundamental one. I'd rather discuss fundamental rights which are a very different thing than the shopping list that is the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

But I'll go one step further. Children have no fundamental right to even seek a vaccine independent of their mother and father. If they did, the tanks would be rolling into Lancaster County right now.

Re: HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

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Post by ceejayoz »

iraqmtpizza wrote: post #96
ceejayoz wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vaccination being irreversible, that's pretty clearly in conflict with the child's right not to die horribly of preventable diseases like polio. As a parent, you get to make all sorts of decisions. As with all other rights, it's still not unlimited. Certain decisions are not solely yours; certain decisions aren't ever yours.

The right not to die of disease (were it to exist) would be a statutory right and not a fundamental one. I'd rather discuss fundamental rights which are a very different thing than the shopping list that is the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. But I'll go one step further. Children have no fundamental right to even seek a vaccine independent of their mother and father. If they did, the tanks would be rolling in…

> I'd rather discuss fundamental rights...

You're in luck, then; SCOTUS has deemed even compulsory vaccination to pass muster here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts

We've got plenty of precedent that parents can't always opt out of life-saving care for their children, too. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/cancer/connecticut-teen-curab...

> Children have no fundamental right to even seek a vaccine independent of their mother and father. If they did, the tanks would be rolling into Lancaster County right now.

Are the children of Lancaster County pushing to be vaccinated and being denied by their parents?

Re: HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

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Post by ceejayoz »

salad-tycoon wrote: post #95
ceejayoz wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I look around and don't see measles cases anywhere.

Funny, Apple started pushing stories to me that MEASELS IS EVERYWHERE now, get vaccinated. The advertising fund is a concern. I’m all for trust of pharmaceutical companies but a lot needs to change first.

Yes, if people stop getting vaccinated, measles starts coming back. Thus far, in small, localized outbreaks.

You're supporting my point, not contesting it.

Re: HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

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Post by f38zf5vdt »

jseliger wrote: post #40
Moldoteck wrote: post #24

Does it make sense to get a vaccine for older ppl, like 30y, does this still apply for men?

Yes: https://cbuck.substack.com/p/the-freedom-to-choose-medicine-... Also, HPV causes head and neck cancers in men and women. These are very unpleasant and not recommended: https://jakeseliger.com/2023/09/09/life-swallowing-tasting-a...

Yes, please, even if you've had HPV before, get this vaccine. The medical literature says there are benefits in almost every person, even if your insurer does not.

> In a retrospective analysis of data from two qHPV vaccine efficacy studies in young women who underwent cervical surgery or were diagnosed with genital warts or vulvar/vaginal disease related to infection present before vaccination (Figure 1), prior qHPV vaccination was associated with a significant reduction (46.2−64.9% for those who underwent cervical surgery; 35.2% for those diagnosed with infection-related disease) in any subsequent HPV-related disease, including high-grade disease.6 Other studies demonstrated that HPV vaccination before and after surgical treatment for cervical lesions reduced the risk of subsequent cervical intraepithelial neoplasia (CIN) grade 2 or higher, related to HPV16/18 (88.2% efficacy 60 days or more post-surgery),8 and the risk of recurrent CIN 2–3 post-surgery was higher in qHPV vaccine non-recipients compared with recipients (hazard ratio [HR] 2.840).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10038021/

Re: HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

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Post by tasuki »

Traubenfuchs wrote: post #12

The continuing focus on cervical cancer and women’s sexual health in the context of HPV (vaccination) is my biggest pet peeve ever. HPV causes penile, anal, mouth-throat and cervical cancer. I‘d argue that all of those cancers are much, much worse than cervical cancer. After all, they can cause permanent disfigurement, chronic pain, inability to ever speak again and loss of the penis. Infertility? Woe is me! Anyone w…

My partner died of cervical cancer at 30 years old. I'm now raising a toddler by myself.

Is this the place where I can tell you to fuck off?

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